Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Live Long Enough to Live Forever

This is the first blog I've written with no poker content that I think can have a profound impact on some of the readers. I really hope some of you will take the suggestion and read the book in question.

Anyway, I'd love comments from people that think I'm crazy, or people that have read the book already.
-ZJ

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

You are the new Bruiser!

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

I did some reading on this subject a while back and was actually skimming thru this book last week at the bookstore. I'll probably end up reading it, but I have a few others to get thru first. Good entry, good stuff.

GoT

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

ZJ,

The world would run out of natural resources before anyone reaches age 5,000.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ,

The world would run out of natural resources before anyone reaches age 5,000.

[/ QUOTE ]

Plus, isn't our generation the first generation in U.S. history that will have a lower standard of living than the previous one?

craig

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ,

The world would run out of natural resources before anyone reaches age 5,000.

[/ QUOTE ]

Marty, you're thinking three dimensionally. You have to think in the 4th dimension!

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Frankly, believing any of this tosh is a waste of the 4th dimension. And it's place on your bookshelf is a waste of the other three.

IMHO.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
Frankly, believing any of this tosh is a waste of the 4th dimension. And it's place on your bookshelf is a waste of the other three.

IMHO.

[/ QUOTE ]

The idea of living longer by eating a more nutritous diet is absurd to you? I guess some people just don't like facts / common sense.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Living past 120 years by just changing your diet *is* absurd. Living longer in general obviously isn't.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

cool on your wild deductive abilities, Holmes!

How did you know I was talking about the nutrition specifically and not about the absurd idea of living forever using all the things mentioned in the link? I sure didn't!

Enjoy your pine nuts or sand or whatever, if you're pressing the nutrition angle.

But you do realise, you won't live forever? It'll just seem like it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
cool on your wild deductive abilities, holmes! How did you know I was talking about the nutrition and not about the absurd idea of living forever using current or near-future techniques? I sure didn't!

Enjoy your pine nuts or sand or whatever, if you're pressing the nutrition angle.

But you do realise, you won't live forever? It'll just seem like it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you even read what I wrote? The vast majority of the book is about nutrition.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

It sounds like an interesting read, though from you exert it appears to have major flaws.
"We’ve basically doubled the expectation in the past hundred years."

We have doubled the average life expectancy, but we havn't come close to doubling the LONGEST an indivicual can live. There are accounts of Romans living into their 80's and 90's, while the oldest living person on record is around 116 (i thin). We haven't really made the "exponential" progress in the longest that an individual can live that is nessecary to be able to epect a person to live past 120 yrs. This sounds like a manipulation of figures to sell books, especially when you look at the reasons for the increase in life expectancy over the past 100 years.
1. Obstectrics- women not dying in childbirth, and children not dying during childbirth.
2. Vaccinations keeping young children alive- traditionally along with the old, the most vulnerable to infectious disiese.
As a male once you got past a certain age (arounnd 20) you average life expectancy was over 60 100 years ago (this was in england around 1900, don't have the specific figures with me, but i might be able to find the old text book they were in). The majority of technology in this area has allowed children to grow up into adults more often, something that is much moreeaily achievable than alling adults to slow down the ageing process.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
Living past 120 years by just changing your diet *is* absurd. Living longer in general obviously isn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure where you got the number 120 from, but adding 20 years to your lifespan by living a healthier life is most certainly not absurd.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

To quote the great Freddy Mercury...

"Who wants to live forever?"

Esp. if all of your family/friends don't.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
cool on your wild deductive abilities, holmes! How did you know I was talking about the nutrition and not about the absurd idea of living forever using current or near-future techniques? I sure didn't!

Enjoy your pine nuts or sand or whatever, if you're pressing the nutrition angle.

But you do realise, you won't live forever? It'll just seem like it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you even read what I wrote? The vast majority of the book is about nutrition.

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course I didn't. Once you mentioned the book as you it seemed a waste of the 4th dimension. My point initially was the book's 'bridges' bs factor.

Anyway, the live forever thing... good luck with that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

The way I see it, I'd be happy just living through this life and dying before the planet explodes or gets super hot or whatever the hell crazy crap is going to happen.

Just make this life worthwhile.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
The way I see it, I'd be happy just living through this life and dying before the planet explodes or gets super hot or whatever the hell crazy crap is going to happen.

Just make this life worthwhile.

[/ QUOTE ]
First prize! Give her a cigar!

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Living past 120 years by just changing your diet *is* absurd. Living longer in general obviously isn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure where you got the number 120 from, but adding 20 years to your lifespan by living a healthier life is most certainly not absurd.

[/ QUOTE ]

That I would agree with. Yeah, I know, someone will post about their 90 year old grandfather who drank every day and smoked 2 packs of Chesterfields, but that is not the norm. The big problem is not just diet, but stress, and environment/water. These are things that we don't know the long term effects over yet.

But, by eating healthy you increase your chances of living longer. I don't even think that is debatable. But, there are a lot outside factors that are beyond our control. I also don't think "quantity" of life is the most important area to look at as well. By eating healthier, you will probably have a better quality life physically and mentally.

craig

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
It sounds like an interesting read, though from you exert it appears to have major flaws.
"We’ve basically doubled the expectation in the past hundred years."

We have doubled the average life expectancy, but we havn't come close to doubling the LONGEST an indivicual can live. There are accounts of Romans living into their 80's and 90's, while the oldest living person on record is around 116 (i thin). We haven't really made the "exponential" progress in the longest that an individual can live that is nessecary to be able to epect a person to live past 120 yrs. This sounds like a manipulation of figures to sell books, especially when you look at the reasons for the increase in life expectancy over the past 100 years.
1. Obstectrics- women not dying in childbirth, and children not dying during childbirth.
2. Vaccinations keeping young children alive- traditionally along with the old, the most vulnerable to infectious disiese.
As a male once you got past a certain age (arounnd 20) you average life expectancy was over 60 100 years ago (this was in england around 1900, don't have the specific figures with me, but i might be able to find the old text book they were in). The majority of technology in this area has allowed children to grow up into adults more often, something that is much moreeaily achievable than alling adults to slow down the ageing process.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. However, with the scientific progress we're making, I'm sure we'll be able to get that up quite a bit. I think the past has mainly dealt with giving more people a long life expectancy, where as we're finally getting to the stage where we can push the max life expectancy higher.

I'd be very surprised if the healthy people of my generation don't live to see 2100, and it wouldn't surprise me if we crack 200 years old.

But none of this really matters unless they can slow the aging process. What the use of living so long if you don't have the body to enjoy it??

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

I think this brings up an interesting question:

Let imagine that life expectancy has jumped up to something that we would consider astronomical (300-800 years or something).

Now, would this make dying young more tragic? Would it change the risks you might take? For some reason I feel like dying at 18 or 25 is infinetly more dumb if your lifespan is 300+ rather than 80.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

ZJ,

Is adding 20 years really worth anything? I suggest you visit a nursing home some time and see what being "old" is really about.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ,

Is adding 20 years really worth anything? I suggest you visit a nursing home some time and see what being "old" is really about.

[/ QUOTE ]

Try not to think of it as tacking an extra 20 years on at the end. Think of it as slowing down the aging process by the equivelent.

The title of this post
 

I don't want people to get tangled up over the title. It's simply something intriguing that will sell lots of copies.

No where in the book does the author state humans will live forever. Try not to take the word literally.

Perhaps a more accurate title would be: Live long enough to see a time when people no longer die of old age, cancer, or organ failure

Re: The title of this post
 

[ QUOTE ]

No where in the book does the author state humans will live forever. Try not to take the word literally.


[/ QUOTE ]

Except the title!

I hate misleading titles for books/films/songs [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

These grind my gears:

The Never Ending Story
The Sound of Silence
Krakatoa, East of Java (check a world map)
Diamonds are Forever

grrrrr!

Re: The title of this post
 

bitter,

how is the neverending story decieving? You are watching a movie that contains a story. the story in the movie is neverending. if it was called the neverending movie then you would have a gripe.

be healthy,
funk

Re: The title of this post
 

It all depends on what the book states as the Third Bridge. Because the fundamental problem is that the body's cells simply break down at a certain point of age, regardless of how "healthy" you are otherwise. If nanotechnology could prevent this from happening at a molecular level, then at least theoretically, it would be possible help retard the aging process in individual cells.

Re: The title of this post
 

Mr. Simpson, this is the most blatent case of false advertisng since my lawsuit against the film "The Never Ending Story".

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Cool. will get it for my mom's Christmas present.

Re: The title of this post
 

[ QUOTE ]
bitter,

how is the neverending story decieving? You are watching a movie that contains a story. the story in the movie is neverending. if it was called the neverending movie then you would have a gripe.

be healthy,
funk

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay, you have swayed me through good argument and sound logic. I was wrong. I now remove this from my list, and replace it with 'I am a rock'.

Re: The title of this post
 

[censored] you buddy, simon and garfunkle rules.

Re: The title of this post
 

[ QUOTE ]
[censored] you buddy, simon and garfunkel rules.

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: The title of this post
 

[ QUOTE ]
[censored] you buddy, simon and garfunkle rules.

[/ QUOTE ]

course they do. I'm not dissing them, but they are neither rocks nor silent. You see my point? false advertising.

(though I do have a soft spot to the alternative act Cylon and Garfunkel)

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Fairly intense bouts of starvation has been proven to stress the organs in such a way that they can last longer. However you must realise that a prolonged life does not neccesarily equate to a longer quality of life.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
Even if you are still skeptical, this book is a must read for any rational human being.

[/ QUOTE ]

no offense, but your blog post does a really bad job of convincing me of this point.

I'm sure a lot of the actual health advice content is basically correct, but I'm also sure that its nothing you cant find in other places and is nothing revolutionary. but this live 400 years Bridge XVII crap is BS.

[ QUOTE ]
Unless you believe the author is flat out lying about what we can do today, it’s pretty hard to deny that some amazing stuff is going to happen in the near future. Those excerpts on Bridges Two and Three should only serve as motivation for you to concentrate on Bridge One.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just read what you wrote. It's insane.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
Just read what you wrote. It's insane.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm defending something you haven't read yet. Read it and perhaps my confidence will make more sense. Again, this is all assuming that he's not directly lying to the reader.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

There was an article in popular mechanics earlier this year talking about the thechnology to expand life. They predicted that todays teenagers will live to an average of 120 years old. 80 year olds would have similar fitness to todays 50 year olds.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

no, I'm commenting on something I read in your blog, not the book. this:

" Those excerpts on Bridges Two and Three should only serve as motivation for you to concentrate on Bridge One. "

that, and the stuff around it, sounds crazy.

like i said, im sure most of the health content is correct and isnt made up or anything, but the stuff about bridges, nanotechnology being just around the corner and living 5000 years is really nuts. it looks like the books authors are either delusional, or they did chose to hype the [censored] out of some basic health advice to get 10 minutes of attention. im reading some other reviews on other sites and none of their advice is revolutionary or anything.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

Are you a Scientologist?

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

The 5,000 year quote was not said by the authors, nor did I defend the validity of that number. In fact, I referred to it as crazy in my blog.

[ QUOTE ]
it looks like the books authors are either delusional, or they did chose to hype the [censored] out of some basic health advice to get 10 minutes of attention. im reading some other reviews on other sites and none of their advice is revolutionary or anything.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're saying it's off the wall bonkers, and then you go to say that none of the ideas in the book are revolutionary? Those criticisms can't coexist.

Re: Live Long Enough to Live Forever
 

[ QUOTE ]
Are you a Scientologist?

[/ QUOTE ]

I prefer to think of myself as a pediatric gynecologist.