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Woolygimp 12-30-2005 10:06 AM

$55 Push?
 
***** Hand History for Game 3285273477 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:18731754 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, December 30, 09:04:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 67095 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Gilllligan ( $1890 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $635 )
Seat 5: Baldnbroke ( $2275 )
Seat 6: thebuyer96 ( $3225 )
Seat 7: wwwweb ( $925 )
Seat 9: Klinsmann ( $1050 )
Trny:18731754 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7c 8s ]
wwwweb folds.
>You have options at Table 67389 Table!.
Klinsmann folds.
Gilllligan folds.
Hero is all-In [635]

Hero is the button.

stuartharris 12-30-2005 10:10 AM

Re: $55 Push?
 
With your stack, those blinds, and two folds in front, I think you have to do this.

Woolygimp 12-30-2005 10:14 AM

Re: $55 Push?
 
I'm pushing into two very large stacks with very little to lose. Being on the button looks like i'm stealing, therefor I think i have very little FE here.

stuartharris 12-30-2005 10:22 AM

Re: $55 Push?
 
True enough, but wait four or five more hands and they have even less to lose and you have even less to win.

Snarf 12-30-2005 12:22 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
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With your stack, those blinds, and two folds in front, I think you have to do this.

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I used to think that too...but there are very few hands that you're really in decent shape against.... there are far worse gambles...but I'd rather push K2o than 78o here. With King High I'm at least ahead of some loose calls.

tigerite 12-30-2005 12:39 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
I'm moving in here, even if they call any ace or any pair, it's only marginally -$EV and any tighter than that it's +$EV. However a fold probably isn't really bad, I just feel that I need some chips. By the way K2o here is actually a worse push by ICM.

Snarf 12-30-2005 12:40 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
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I'm moving in here, even if they call any ace or any pair, it's only marginally -$EV and any tighter than that it's +$EV. However a fold probably isn't really bad, I just feel that I need some chips. By the way K2o here is actually a worse push by ICM.

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ooh. Explain?

tigerite 12-30-2005 12:42 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
Well, just use SNGPT and you can prove it.. with K2o the ranges have to be 15%/17% and with 87o they have to be both 17%, and 23% is like -0.1% with 87o and around -0.4% for both with K2o.

Snarf 12-30-2005 11:32 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
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Well, just use SNGPT and you can prove it.. with K2o the ranges have to be 15%/17% and with 87o they have to be both 17%, and 23% is like -0.1% with 87o and around -0.4% for both with K2o.

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FWIW I didn't really mean K2o...just going for the whole King high effect...

Also, {hijack) could you explain ICM to me? What does it stand for? What is it? How do I use it? Can I DL it? Where? etc... I'm literally lost.

KingDan 12-30-2005 11:41 PM

Re: $55 Push?
 
How to use ICM

how to use icm
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