33 J,J hand
 

fold, call or push?

blinds 25/50 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL)
Seat 7 is the button and me. Total number of players: 6

Seat 3: AUpMySleeve7 (505)
Seat 6: Trotmansky (675)
Seat 7: hero (935)
Seat 8: dslee85 (1420)
Seat 9: chuckspears (2095)
Seat 10: BL18NASCAR (2370)
dslee85 posts small blind (25)
chuckspears posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jh, Jd ]
BL18NASCAR calls (50)
AUpMySleeve7 raises (505) to 505
AUpMySleeve7 is all-In.
Trotmansky folds.

What should hero do?

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

You still have 20BB.
He has 10BB
I, me, dr., would not be pushing yet if I were him without a very good A, Maybe KQs, middle pair.
You are only good against the middle pair.
You are a coin flip with two over cards.

I wait till I can lead the betting. fold.
I do not think you are at coin flip stack size yet.

I know for the purposes of discussion the results do not matter.
For the matter of my curiosity they do. Humor me?

dr.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

I would be happy to humor you, but I would love some more responces first. I will say that calling is the wrong answer, but pushing feels risky and folding the 4th best hand in poker feels weak. Any guesses what I did?

Ryan

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

Six handed I can't see a situation where I'm folding JJ to one all-in. If the cards line up against me so be it.

I'm pushing here.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

Villain has position and stack size against him, so he's raising with a higher pair or AK/AQ. Regardless, blinds are still low--there's no reason to risk over half your stack on something like this so early.

Fold--altho, from your reply, I imagine you pushed.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

My answer is a mistake. I put call, but I would push. It's not close between call and push, IMO, I was just careless.

The shove like that is very rarely QQ+. You have a significant advantage over his range. Sure there is a good chance he has two overs, but there is also a good chance he has an underpair or Ax.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

anyone else have any thoughts?

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

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My answer is a mistake. I put call, but I would push.

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I, too, am a lazy bastard and only read two-thirds of the choices. Anyway, I doubt he is doing this with QQ+ or even AK (both these ranges people usually play slower than this). Good chance you have him dominated here. By the way, a read would be stellar in this spot.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

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The shove like that is very rarely QQ+.

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this is true. people often get greedy with these hands and will raise to 2.5xBB, or even minraise, because they want to pick up more than the blinds. you can't rule out these hands completely, but his chances of having these are significantly lower than a lower PP, Ax or KQ.

I push here.

Re: 33 J,J hand
 

JJ I think is a clear push. TT is closer but I'd still be inclined to push.