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cdxx 07-22-2005 01:05 AM

does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

River: (8.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero ???.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

the card appeared to improve my hand, but the guy was clearly on a draw. i was thinking of betting, but the idea of folding to a raise was too much, so i decided to save a bet, as i was fairly certain he'd bet into me.

MrWookie47 07-22-2005 01:09 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
If he was on a draw from the flop, it was a backdoor. I bet/call that river.

Kumubou 07-22-2005 01:10 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
No, he is betting the river because he has two cards and is going "Bluffer showing weakness lolololol time to steal the pot from such a shitty player." Maybe he has two pair. Maybe he has a pair. Maybe he has a shitty ace was afraid was no g00t until he slowed down.

You really need to bet this river. Yes, you are calling a raise. You can probably fold if it comes back 3-bet, though. So you are calling this bet, and launching cute critters into orbit.

-K

GrunchCan 07-22-2005 01:13 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
Not necesarrily -- there are 2 draws that are completed there. Regardless, I bet call too. But if it were HU, I might just check-call becasue I don't think we have 50% of the pot here. Not gonna fold, tho.

cdxx 07-22-2005 01:18 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
i was obviously worried about JT, QJ, KJ, or even AJ from a weaker player. not necessarily two hearts...

GrunchCan 07-22-2005 01:20 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
No, he is betting the river because he has two cards and is going "Bluffer showing weakness lolololol time to steal the pot from such a shitty player." Maybe he has two pair. Maybe he has a pair. Maybe he has a shitty ace was afraid was no g00t until he slowed down.

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I pretty much disagree with all of this. Other than a low pair (which I doubt the opponent will bet usually), Hero loses to all of the hands you mention. And I don't see the resona for betting, although I still agree that's the correct action. Why exactly are you betting?

GrunchCan 07-22-2005 01:22 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
Right, and I think his range is heavily biased towards Q-something. Maybe even Q9s.

Kumubou 07-22-2005 01:26 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
I pretty much disagree with all of this. Other than a low pair (which I doubt the opponent will bet usually), Hero loses to all of the hands you mention. And I don't see the resona for betting, although I still agree that's the correct action. Why exactly are you betting?

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Are we looking at the same hand? Last time I checked a set of kings beats any pair or two pair. Hero is only behind to AA (wtf), Jx, and two random hearts. I am betting here because there are an assload of worse hands that will call a bet, but may check the river through due to the four-straight.

-K

GrunchCan 07-22-2005 01:28 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
Ha, no we were not looking at the same hand. Sorry, my bad.

Ok, going to bed now.

eviljeff 07-22-2005 01:43 AM

Re: does MUBS strike again? KK hand
 
the river is a straight forward check/call


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