Should Data mining be allowed? How about poker-edge
 

Data mining is defined at getting hand histories at tables they are not playing. Although I have done minimal data mining myself. Usually at tables when I am on waiting lists I really think programs like pokeredge are pretty scary and should be banned.

Ken

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I think online poker should emulate live poker to the degree that only data that you've accumulated at the table can be used to play against your opponents.

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you can watch tables until you're ready to sit down in live poker too.

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I think online poker should emulate live poker to the degree that only data that you've accumulated at the table can be used to play against your opponents.

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I agree, 100%. I think that if the ability to see opponents hole cards is available, it should be on the same basis as live; someone should have to request it, and everyone at the table should see both the cards and who requested to see them. It should also automatically open an investigation for collusion (that is the purpose of the rule!), and if someone is found to be abusing the rule, their ability to request to see hole cards should be revoked for a time. As it stands, you have to know that you can look up the history to see everyone else's cards, and you can do so secretly; therefore, those who are aware of this "feature" have an unfair advantage over those who are not.

-Mike

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you can watch tables until you're ready to sit down in live poker too.

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But can I return home, go to sleep, return to the casino 8 hours later and have the dealer hand me a printout documenting everyone's play for that evening?

Can I then post this printout on the internet and sell it for $20 a pop to other scoundrels who wanted to go home and sleep as well?

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whats pokeredge?

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whats pokeredge?

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-aron

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whats pokeredge?

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Seriously, using google isn't that hard.
But anyway, here you go.

poker-edge.com

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you can watch tables until you're ready to sit down in live poker too.

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You can't watch 20 tables simultaneously and take detailed notes though.

I don't think datamining should be banned. But I guess I do think it is in poor taste and "unsportsmanlike". Before the flaming begins, yes I do like making money. Yes, I do think that a person should make use of every tool that they can.

But, personally I draw the line at datamining... it just seems trashy.

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Yeah I have less of an issue with individual data mining. But sharing all the data in real-time is going to far. And unfortunately there is no simple way to stop this without just not allowing data mining.

I have been using pokertracker and pokerstat since they both were 1st for sale. I also use GT+ and have no particular issue with individuals using programs to look at their own data.

I have written to alerts@partypoker.com and pointed them to pokeredge website and also pointed them to a few other programs like that. I recommend others doing it as well if they think this is going to far.

Ken