Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

There was a very interesting stats post a while back where jph0424 and BZ and Josh all ended up posting their position stats and it inspired me to try to think a little more extensively about my starting hands selections.

Here is a chart I made from their data...with some guesses as to a safe PF default a less skilled postflop player might do well adopting...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...tion-stats.jpg

Thoughts...

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

I dont have my exact numbers in front of me that I used to get these hands but I used Pokerstove and chose ranges I felt comfortable with and got this.

Using Pokerstove

UTG: A5s+, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QJo+, JTs+, 66+


MP: A4s+, A9o+, K8s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J9s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+


CO: A2s+, A8o+, K6s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+


Button: A2s+, A7o+, K5s+, K9o+, Q7s+, Q9o+, J8s+, JTo+, 98s+, 55+

I'm not totally sure but I think i was attempting to make an all-open raising chart to use as a safe default for playing in games where I dont have any stats or background with the palyers...

Obviously using Pokerstove ## in a 6-max environment is gonna be flawed....

My question is how would you go about modifying these ranges for 6-max open raising?

Which hands would you add and which would you remove? Or what parts of the range would you tighten up and which parts would you loosen up?

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

link to original stats post

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

BTW I know all the arguments against using a chart but I'm such a lag by nature if I just go by feel--31/23 or so--that I am hoping to use a chart to tighten the screws down a little bit and get back on track.

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

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BTW I know all the arguments against using a chart but I'm such a lag by nature if I just go by feel--31/23 or so--that I am hoping to use a chart to tighten the screws down a little bit and get back on track.

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Just look at the polls I made (they are in small stakes shorthand) What you have is blatently loose and tight in different spots.

Krishan

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

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CO: A2s+, A8o+, K6s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+

Button: A2s+, A7o+, K5s+, K9o+, Q7s+, Q9o+, J8s+, JTo+, 98s+, 55+


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A8o from Co sounds very tight and also i think i can add some more hands from CO

Same with Button A7o and K9o i think it's possible to add a lot more hands in thease possisions

Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)
 

I think most SH players are open raising 66 UTG, some even open raising 55 or 44. I think most of the suggestions are way too tight for SH 10/20+