I hate my life on this hand...
 

Ok maybe not that bad, but this one had me going bonkers.

UTG - 60/2.8/.6
CO is an unknown.

do you guys fold the turn when it is 2 back to me? I have the second nut flush and top pair, but I have no clue if any of it is good.


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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (20.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 22.75 BB

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

Well, it looks like you're getting 8 to 1 on the turn (when it's two back to you) with AT BEST 5 outs and a chance you're drawing dead. You're about an 8 to 1 dog to make your hand, so I think it's close, but is a fold due to the possibility of it getting capped behind you and since you might be dead already.

-WT

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

I make that same call on the turn. Most players I see play it slower with he nut flush.

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

By the time the action is back to you on the turn, you're in the position to put in 2 bets to a pot that has 19 and will likely have 20 once CO calls. 10-1 with 2nd nut flush draw is good enough to see the river.

If someone had the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] don't beat yourself up. Folding the turn and watching someone with a worse flush or UTG with a set of 8's take the pot would be a bigger mistake.

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

It is pretty painful to watch, but I like how you played it. I think the pot is giving a big enough overlay for you to draw to the second-nut flush on the turn.

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

When UTG reraises he clearly has a flush but not necessarily the nut flush. I think you have to see the river given the size of the pot. I like going for overcalls on the river too.

Re: I hate my life on this hand...
 

For what it's worth i'd play it the same.