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shaniac 12-17-2005 09:39 PM

AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
Recently moved to the table. About 135 players left, 180 are in the money, first is miles away.

Blinds are 750/1500 I have 18K, probably 3-4K below avg and AQSs on the button.

Havent plaid a hand yet at the table. BB just won a huge pot where he limped with AA, got 3 limps behind and managed to get it allin preflop vs KK with 7K extra dead money. He now has a big stack. 55K or so. SB has me covered by 10K.

Should I open push the button, or make a standard raise? If I go for the latter option, I'm not folding to an allin by either blind right?

12-17-2005 09:50 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
i like the standard raise here for two reasons: (a) might get a smaller ace in the blinds to come over the top; (b) good chance of BB bigstack attempting a resteal... NO WAY YOU ARE FOLDING TO A PUSH!!!

Greeksquared 12-17-2005 09:55 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
I would just push as if you raise to 4500 or whatever you really dont want a call. A thinking/gambling/idiot player can call and push any flop and then you will have to fold. A push will get calls from AT, AJ and let you see all 5 cards against a pair. I guess I just hate the chance at getting outplayed, which will has the ability to happen 60 percent (when you miss) of the time on a called flop. You only have 12 BBs.

If im bb theres a good chance I call an all in with AT,AJ.

So id rather get the sure 2250 then gamble for an extra 3000.

ansky451 12-17-2005 10:00 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
I see no reason to push. I'm not afraid of playing post flop if I miss, and theres a good chance someone is going to reraise you, which you want.

Exitonly 12-17-2005 10:09 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
standard raise, insta-call a push.

sirio11 12-17-2005 10:14 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
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I see no reason to push. I'm not afraid of playing post flop if I miss, and theres a good chance someone is going to reraise you, which you want.

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I just have to add that one play I'm still to analize and I have seen many pros doing it versus a stack like Shane's here, it's calling a standard raise, hoping to flop a pair and then let you bet the flop to call (or raise) you all in.
If you're a player that always makes continuation bets, then maybe the size of the raise should not be standard. (kind of lazy now to do the math)

ansky451 12-17-2005 10:42 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
So you mean that the BB will call with something real marginal like T8o or the like, and check raise all in with middle pair or any piece basically-- because shane has to push/bet the flop?

12-17-2005 11:41 PM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
I like a raise of 2.5 big blinds here, it makes the pot a lot smaller and if you do wish to make a CB here and get raised you will have only invested around 5 big blinds or so. If you get reraised pre, I'd either call all-in or go all-in.

Melchiades 12-18-2005 12:20 AM

Re: AQs on the button, Party million, push or standard raise?
 
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standard raise, insta-call a push.

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