A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

This might be obvious to some but not to others so I think it's worth mentioning.

Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call.

Flop: xxx

A checks, B checks, C bets...

Now say you have a good but not great hand. In any case, you think there exists a reasonable chance you have C beat, though you're not too sure (TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call. The presence of players A and B makes this a FOLD! The presence of the other players in the hand makes a marginal (or even slightly better than maringal) call into a fold, since you're fighting an uphill battle now, and should someone wake up behind with a hand, you're screwed.

There's more to it than that, but I'll stop here for now. Comments? Thoughts?

Kirk

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

Uh, how do you know A + B have hands? You have a marginal hand and you think the preflop aggressor is weaker than you. You are putting him on a continuation bet. This isn't a clear fold, absent a strong read on A and B, it's a clear raise! If you limp call, A + B get in for one bet with some very good odds. If they call or raise the 2 bets, now you have something to go on. Now is the time to begin thinking about getting away from your hand.

If it was heads up, it would be a raise and not a call as well. Is C making a continuation bet or does he have something? If you call, you get nowhere closer to finding out the answer. If you raise and C is weak, well you've put him in a pickle, haven't you?

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call.

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You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"?

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call.

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You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"?

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after two limpers you can cold call plenty

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call.

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You cold-call often enough that this is "typical scenario"?

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after two limpers you can cold call plenty

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I would like to know what hands you cold call with preflop that can make top pair top/good kicker.

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

I don't see this as an obvious fold at all.

The first two players didn't raise, they just limped, they may not have anything. This is a raise to try to isolate the third player the vast majority of the time (unless you have a read that one or both of the first players likes to limp from early position with monster starting hands or something like that)...

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I don't see this as an obvious fold at all.

The first two players didn't raise, they just limped, they may not have anything. This is a raise to try to isolate the third player the vast majority of the time (unless you have a read that one or both of the first players likes to limp from early position with monster starting hands or something like that)...

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I agree.

Did you read the first page in SSHE "Protecting your hand" chapter? you should RAISE.

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

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(TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call.

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You call with top pair good kicker heads up?

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I was about to jump in here, but you are
already being sufficiently pwn3d!

-ZEN

Re: A raised, multi-way pots observation.
 

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Here's a typical scenario: A limps, B limps, C raises, you call, A+B call.

Flop: xxx

A checks, B checks, C bets...

Now say you have a good but not great hand. In any case, you think there exists a reasonable chance you have C beat, though you're not too sure (TPGK, for instance), and heads-up you would call. The presence of players A and B makes this a FOLD!

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There are hands that put you in this situation, but not TPGK. More like Ace-high GK + BDFD or middle pair NK + BDFD.