AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

No reads on villain, he really confused me by his PSB into me. I thought it may have been 88 or a big draw like JTs, but I just sort of froze up on this one and felt like I played it poorly. I'll post how I played it after a few responses, but what's the best line for hero here? Raise and fold to a push or call and fold the turn to more aggression?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($235.70)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
UTG+2 ($298.35)
MP1 ($224.34)
MP2 ($267.60)
Hero ($176)
CO ($308.38)
Button ($198.25)
SB ($206.05)
BB ($97.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $8</font>, [color=#666666]4 folds</font>, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, [color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $26</font>, Hero....

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I think you have to raise here and fold to a push. Without reads, villain has too many possible holdings that we need to charge. You can't fold, and if you just call, I think you will have no idea where you are on the turn. Building a pot on the flop with position is ok, right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

With a strong draw or any hand beating you he will just 3-bet all in. I call and pray for a blank turn card and for villain to check to me.

Raise more pre flop.

Edit: You are missing 7 bbs, rebuy.

Edit's Edit: Let's go with 12.

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

What do you do when the turn is checked to you?

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I call and evaluate at the turn. Depending on READ (which of course we don't have cause this is SSNL) and action by villian, I may release TPTK there.

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I agree with ghostface, and if the turn is checked to me I bet 60, folding to check-raise

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I in fact did just call the flop, hoping to re-evaluate on the turn, folding to another bet on a blank. But, the turn brings another K. Push or fold this one? Also, wtf has been wrong with the converter lately or am I just retarded?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($235.70)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
UTG+2 ($298.35)
MP1 ($224.34)
MP2 ($267.60)
Hero ($176)
CO ($308.38)
Button ($198.25)
SB ($206.05)
BB ($97.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $8</font>, [color=#666666]4 folds</font>, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, [color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $26</font>, Hero calls $26, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($79) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $76</font>, Hero flips a coin to decide whether to push or fold?

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I push it

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

bump

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

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Also, wtf has been wrong with the converter lately or am I just retarded?

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In the converter there is a little pull down menu for format. You have FTR selected. Choose 2+2.

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

Ahh ok thanks. I did push the turn, unfortunately villain had 88 and scooped the pot. I think in retrospect, if the K helped me and villain bets on the turn again, it has to have made him a boat or he is still semi-bluffing his big draw. This brings me to another question, what if the turn brings an A, am I still going to the felt here if I still keep getting bet into hard or can I lay it down if I do in fact turn the A.

I think this hand is a pretty good test for hand reading and I sort of second guessed myself on the turn. I put villain's range to be 88 KQ Kx JT(s). I think with Kx and JT he pulls the reigns back on the turn and the only hands he keeps betting are the ones I lose to. What are people's thoughts on this or is this too weak tight thinking? I'm just starting back up into NL cash games(been playing mostly sngs and limit recently) and before when I was good and not a pushbot donk I used to be able to make these kinds of laydowns.

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

I don't know about pushing the turn.

I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

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I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?

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this is winning thinking. too many people say to themselves, "i now have trips! whee!" when nothing has really changed in the hand. the only hand that we're now ahead of that we were behind on the flop is Q8. how likely is that?

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

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I don't know about pushing the turn.

I mean, the original plan was to bet the pot on a blank turn. The K is essentiially a blank. I mean, sure it improved Hero's hand. But it's usually not like Hero had the 2nd best hand on the flop and now has the best hand on the turn, just becasue he made trips. If he has the best hand on the turn, he probably had it on the flop, too. So why change the plan?

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This was my thinking going on in my head at the time and then I just had a brain fart and somehow came to the conclusion that he had KJ and I was ahead. I'm a donkey.

Re: AK flops TPTK, get PSB into
 

You are going to be shown KQ or 88 here a lot. I'd be a lot richer if I could hit the fold button on the turn in this spot.