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This was at party, 400nl 6max. I have villan covered, he has about 400. Im new to the table, so no real reads. Folded to me on the button and I make it 15 with 53 suited. Villan calls in BB.

Flop comes A35 rainbow. Villan checks, I bet 25 into 32 pot. Villan calls. Turn is a 9 (rainbow I think). Villan checks, I bet 65 into the pot, villan moves allin for about 295 more.

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fold.

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w/o a strong read, fold? can you call off all your chips here with bottom two? If villian was on tilt or something like that maybe call...

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fold that easy? With me having bottom two, a set is much less likely no?

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im a lot more worried about aces up than a set.

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also just want to add that any a at all has 8 outs, and a2 or a4 has 12 outs, so even if ahead villain is drawing pretty live and if you are behind its 4 outs, 2 outs or dead.

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Villain can clearly beat top pair. The lowest hand that beats top pair is bottom two. So unless he has the exact same hand as you, you're crushed.

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fold.

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You're an unknown and he's put about the strongest move in poker on you: call PF. call flop. c/r turn all-in.

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You know he might have 24o, that's the preflop nuts, trust me. Always hits the flop. ;]

I think it's a fold anyway. That's sucha strong reraise, without reads at least.

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This was at party, 400nl 6max. I have villan covered, he has about 400. Im new to the table, so no real reads. Folded to me on the button and I make it 15 with 53 suited. Villan calls in BB.

Flop comes A35 rainbow. Villan checks, I bet 25 into 32 pot. Villan calls. Turn is a 9 (rainbow I think). Villan checks, I bet 65 into the pot, villan moves allin for about 295 more.

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so pot is around 500, and you have to call about 300.

assuming you have 4 outs, your EV in calling is around .09 of pot. so your EV for calling in this spot is -300 + .09(800) = -228.

assuming opponent has 8 outs, your EV in calling is around .72 of pot. EV for calling is -300 + .72(800) = +276

that means your EV for the call is p(-228) + (1-p)(276)= 276-504p, where p is when villain is ahead. so if villain is ahead more than 54% of the time, then fold.

do ppl in this spot usually have aces up? i don't really see many ppl calling suited aces oop, A3s/A5s/A9s unless they're on the loosish side, and a set is kind of fishy, considering you got most of the low board on the flop and AA will usually reraise. i think you see AK/AQ type of hand enough to call here, with people "protecting" TPTK...but then again it's more of your read on the guy.

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i don't really see many ppl calling suited aces oop

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you must not go to showdown very often, or just not steal blinds very often. i see this all the damn time.

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plus, hero is button raising, and then continuation betting, there's reason to believe that villain may think hero is weak, or not stronger than a TPTK type hand that can release. depends on how hero has been playing as well i suppose.

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I don't see AK/AQ played like that hardly ever.

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i don't really see many ppl calling suited aces oop

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you must not go to showdown very often, or just not steal blinds very often. i see this all the damn time.

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heh it might be the latter, seeing as i've been berated for my weak-tight bitch playing.

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I don't see AK/AQ played like that hardly ever.

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never run into ppl who think TPTK is gold flowing from streams of paradise? really?

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This definitely looks like aces up. I don't see AK/AQ played like this too often.

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I'm folding here, yes tons of villans call with Ax suited out of position. NL400 is full of these loose oop callers.

I rarely see AK move in like this, usually prefer to call you down hoping you have a lesser ace.