Ditch this draw or play?
 

Early in the PP 40k Guarantee. 10/15

Hero is dealth T7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button.

1 fold, donk utg(~750) min raises to t30, utg+2(~800) calls, an mp player calls, hero calls t30 and the blinds come along.

Pot = t180

Flop comes: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

blinds check, utg bets t15, utg+2 raises to t200 all the action folds to me...

Do I have to let this go? I figure I'm about even against his range.

What do you guys think?

Thanks-

Re: Ditch this draw or play?
 

Don't think you mentioned how much you have, but i think i'd push here.. still have some FE, probably favorite to win..

Re: Ditch this draw or play?
 

sorry, I have raiser covered by t300.

Re: Ditch this draw or play?
 

I don't think I'd be willing to back this particular hand with my whole stack since none of your draws are all that great... meaning you could make your hand and lose anyway.

I'd re-raise the flop and take a free card on the turn. If I don't improve and he checks the river, bet 2/3Pot. That seems to work the vast majority of the time. If he comes over the top, I'm probably letting this one go if I have more than 40-50BB left.

my 2c. Interesting what others think.
Kirk

Re: Ditch this draw or play?
 

Although line from above post looks good I think I'd pooosh expecting folds but not too bummed if i get a call. Plus you have the extra advantage if you get a caller that next time you have top set on a two flush board you can just open push your whole stack and get called.

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I'd re-raise the flop and take a free card on the turn. If I don't improve and he checks the river, bet 2/3Pot.

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Kirkrrr,

Didn't put my stack in the op.
After utg+2s raise the pot is at about t400. I have t1k. Any significant raise pretty much commits me to the pot and assuming I did get a free card I dont have enough to bet 2/3 the pot.
FWIW, I think that checking the turn and betting the river on this draw heavy board will look exactly like a missed flush draw too much to make the bet +EV.

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Although line from above post looks good I think I'd pooosh expecting folds but not too bummed if i get a call. Plus you have the extra advantage if you get a caller that next time you have top set on a two flush board you can just open push your whole stack and get called.

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This depends on :

a) he wins the hand

b) he stays at the same table for the forseeable future

c) his table is full of observant players

none of those three are more then 50% likely, so (with the exception of a..) they dont figure to be overly important.

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Early in the PP 40k Guarantee. 10/15

Hero is dealth T7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button.

1 fold, donk utg(~750) min raises to t30, utg+2(~800) calls, an mp player calls, hero calls t30 and the blinds come along.

Pot = t180

Flop comes: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

blinds check, utg bets t15, utg+2 raises to t200 all the action folds to me...

Do I have to let this go? I figure I'm about even against his range.

What do you guys think?

Thanks-

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I think I'm calling here. I don't think you have any FE b/c villian who bet 200 will call a push. I guess I just have a feeling about it, he bet it so hard, I can't see him letting it go. I would also put UTG on a high PP 80% of the time here, I think he also likely calls an all in. I've seen his type of idiotic min raise PF, min raise post flop too many times turn out to be a high PP. So I want to keep him in this hand to give myself better odds.

If min raisor pushes and other villian calls, easy call here. But I think it's likely min raisor will just call and you get great odds to win a really big pot.

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can you actually come up with a real argument for doing anything but pushing here? really?

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Yeah, see my post.