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With the number of final tables that Doyle Brunson made lately I would say they are still a force to be dealt with. However I think that at some point most pros will be hybrid players combining B&M play with Internet Play. But I do think that the poster who said that B&M pros have skills that can't be learned online is accurate.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

Re: Do you think the pros are becoming obsolete?
 

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In 10 more years there will be no such thing as a pure casino pro.

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If certain pinhead Congresspersons have their way, in 10 years (or sooner) there won't be any online pros in the U.S.

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Internet players, not playing in front of live players, have not learned the art of reading player tells and also reducing the number of tells that they give off. This is a major trait required at the high level live games and tourneys. Most pure internet players do not have this skill of reading live players becasue they have not had much experience doing that. Some pros are experts on tell reads.

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No knock on Gigabet' skills whatsoever, but he had at least 3 major suckouts with all his chips on the line to double up and stay in that tourney. So it's not like he dominated his way into the final table, scaring the crap out of the pros in the process. Again, no knock on Gigabet, from what I understand he's a genius, just taking on the OPs original postulation

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No knock on Gigabet' skills whatsoever, but he had at least 3 major suckouts with all his chips on the line to double up and stay in that tourney. So it's not like he dominated his way into the final table, scaring the crap out of the pros in the process. Again, no knock on Gigabet, from what I understand he's a genius, just taking on the OPs original postulation

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Doing this is pretty much required for anyone at all, pro's included to get that deep in a tournament.

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Right. Which is what makes it so ludicrous to try to use Gigabet's showing in one tourney as some kind of evidence that the pros are becoming obsolete.

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Right. Which is what makes it so ludicrous to try to use Gigabet's showing in one tourney as some kind of evidence that the pros are becoming obsolete.

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isn't it ludicrous because gigabet is a pro?

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there are lots of people who prefer to play mid-high stakes live (sometimes against total drunks) then stay at home all night clicking buttons.

Sure you can get it more hands at home....but the profit potential from a good, live 80/160 game at Bellagio or Commerce or wherever is not to be ignored.

Also....I suspect that guys like Greenstein, Ivey and others will still be playing that $4k/$8k game (probably higher than that actually) for a long time to come.
I guess both play on the internet occasionally...but for them when they do play it doesn't really mean anything.

Kind of like when I play live 3/6 it doesn't really mean anything for me.

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That too, alhtough I think the OP was implicitly referring to "old guard" B&M pros.

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It's just a numbers game...

Think of how many thousands of new players have been introduced to poker over the internet. 95% of the internet players are still donkey's but 5% are a special beed. These naturally gifted poker players may have never found poker were it not for the internet.

Internet isn't necessarily making better players, it has just increased the amount of "new blood" being incorproated in the pro scene so more and more young guys are going to be making a splash.

It seems like the old pros are still very well represented at final tables.