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punter11235 11-29-2005 10:19 AM

basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
I think I started making some stupid things recently so I am questioning basic lines... Villain in this hand in unknown 30/10 after 50 hands. No other reads yet.
I dont know what to do on the flop... I suspect calling is standard but what's my plan on the blank turn ? check-fold ? bet fold ? What's standard here ?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($1629)
SB ($435.50)
BB ($1278)
Hero ($1025)
MP ($815)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, MP calls $35, Button calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $160</font>, Button folds, Hero calls $80.

Turn: ($440) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $250</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $690

All comments appreciated

Allinlife 11-29-2005 10:26 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
gotta fold that on flop w/o solid reads because it's impossible to extract more from worse hands / or get cheap showdown OOP (because you will likely be forced to check most turns, showing somewhat of a weakness).

I think turn bluff looks good, the bet size makes it look like a value bet, kind of bet you'd make with sets/ AJ.

Apathy 11-29-2005 10:30 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
Unless theyve been messing with you or calling lots of your open raises in position then easy fold on teh flop to the minraise with no draws on board.

flawless_victory 11-29-2005 10:30 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
i like the way u played this hand.

11-29-2005 10:48 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
Yeah, but what happens if that A doesnt hit. I think that A really helped you out on this hand. If a blank low card comes off do you still bet?

flawless_victory 11-29-2005 10:49 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
yes.

punter11235 11-29-2005 10:55 AM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
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do you still bet?

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My original plan was to bet a blank turn. I am not sure about it.. (that's why I post the hand). I think Villain often have lower pair or he hit his connector as natural play with J is a call for most Villains. I dont know if it is worth continuing though.

11-29-2005 12:04 PM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
Why did you call the raise to $160 with the jack on board? To me it looks like the villain put you on AK and folded when the A hit .
Also according to Sklansky and Malmuth 99 is a calling hand in early position.

TheWorstPlayer 11-29-2005 12:13 PM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
[ QUOTE ]
Also according to Sklansky and Malmuth 99 is a calling hand in early position.

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In their book on short-handed no limit games?

BK_ 11-29-2005 01:25 PM

Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max
 
his hand looks alot like either a mid strengh top pair type hand or a big hand. either way, unless a great card falls on the turn (ace), your line isnt any better than either 3 betting or folding. i like flat calling raises like that on the flop if i am in position, so i can pot the turn if he checks it. that isnt the case here, so i see no real benefit to playing it this way.

given that you got to the turn how you did, i like the lead out alot.


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