Re: Quads obv
 

I think flop raise, turn push is probably the best way to get money in there.
He will be salivating to get his money in on that flop with a big pair.
Very hard for him to put u on a monster on that flop.
If he calls your flop raise, and you push turn, it still is difficult to put you on a big hand because its unlikely you would raise that flop with an 8.

Re: Quads obv
 

I think the flop raise is only good in retrospect. I think calling twice is pretty good, maybe a raise on the turn like lap said. I don't think villain has an 8 here very often, but has an overpair very often. I'm torn, but I'm in the value bet camp on this one just because of how the betting went. I don't think a big pair looks up often enough to make the overbet profitable against it.

Re: Quads obv
 

Just because he has flopped a monster doesnt mean he has to slowplay it,
It is extremely difficult to put him on a big hand on such a flop.
Villain doesnt put hero on a 2, and raising with an 8 there is not very sound.
This is a dream flop for 22 and not one where you need to slowplay to get money in.
You tell me what do you do with AA or KK on this flop?
You go broke right...thats why i think raising it is the best option.

Edit:
I also think pushing flop is a good way to get money in...a big pair doesnt fold to a flop push.

Re: Quads obv
 

Maybe I do like a flop raise then. I just think raising the flop is shutting down 99-QQ and you can pick up a lot of value by bringing them to the turn.

Re: Quads obv
 

I dont think JJ/QQ shuts down that easy...
99/TT might, but thats about it.
If the turn is a flush card..it kills ur action...so does the 8 that came.
Get the money in when you can do so easily..
Slowplaying quads is standard BECAUSE its difficult to get value from them by playing fast..but this situation does not require you to slow play them.

Re: Quads obv
 

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Maybe I do like a flop raise then. I just think raising the flop is shutting down 99-QQ and you can pick up a lot of value by bringing them to the turn.

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What shuts down TT is a scare card on the turn. Raising the flop is very good here, I think.

Re: Quads obv
 

Raise the flop to whatever amount you would raise with an overpair here. The advantages of raising here are to start building a big pot vs. an overpair. JJ-AA are going to have a hard time laying down on this board. Also, you want to start getting money into the pot before a scare card comes (overcard to his overpair, 3 flush). The disadvantages of raising the flop are possibly scaring off 99/TT and preventing him from bluffing the turn. Another small disadvantage is making AK/AQ fold the flop when the might have hit on the turn if you just flat call. The advantages of raising here outwiegh the disadvantages IMO.

As for the river here, I don't really like the overbet push unless you have a read on the villain of calling too much. Most decent players lay down an overpair here. I would make a value bet of 500 or so.

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Re: Quads obv
 

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I've seen this situation three times and never NOT seen a big overbet by quads...each time a boat paid off.

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I beg to differ