Winner asks to see loser\'s hand. Is the hand live?
 

Playing in a real good 3/5 NL game last night at Potawatomi. A big pot goes heads up to the river. Winner bets $150, loser thinks for a while before calling. Winner shows down 3rd pair. Loser re-checks his hand than tosses it face down in the middle of the table.

Winner asks to see the loser's hand, dealer (who is one of the better dealers their) says loser's hand is still live, and flips over his ace high.

Now another regular solid player chimes in that dealer should have tapped the hand on the muck to kill the hand. Dealer says "I'm sorry you're incorrect since the player who won the hand asked to see the loser's hand, the loser's hand is still live. If another player asked to see loser's hand dealer would've killed the hand before exposing it." The player and dealer argue about it pretty civily into the middle of next hand and dealer says this is the correct ruling everywhere, regular player disagrees and the dealer calls the floor.

Now all of a sudden some guy at the table next to us who was playing 3/6 limit and watching our game wants to fight the regular because he's "Being an ass and trying to show up the dealer."

While all of this commotion is happening, I'm proceeding to lose a $1500 pot and get up to go home before the whole situation was resolved. Was the dealer correct to not kill the loser's hand since the winner of the hand asked to see it?

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Yes

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The dealer is absolutely correct. You should see these regular Potawatomi idiots at the blackjack table. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The dealer is correct, but he probably should have called the floor after this happened rather than arguing with the player himself. Most dealers would say something like, "Are you sure, his hand is still live if I turn it over" upon hearing this request from the pot winner. But anyway, what he said is correct...if the winner requests, hand is live, if another player requests, hand is tapped dead.

Jeff

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The dealer is correct, but he probably should have called the floor after this happened rather than arguing with the player himself. Most dealers would say something like, "Are you sure, his hand is still live if I turn it over" upon hearing this request from the pot winner. But anyway, what he said is correct...if the winner requests, hand is live, if another player requests, hand is tapped dead.

Jeff

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And just to clarify this point it is the act of a player (winner or loser asking) asking and then the dealer turning it up that makes it live or dead. Three examples:

(1) Apparent winner asks to see the hand, dealer taps the muck, and then turns it up : live hand.

(2) Loser asks to see the hand dealer turns it up without tapping the muck: dead hand.

(3) Loser asks to see the hand player picks it back up and turns it over himslef : live hand.

The tapping the muck is a ritual to make it clear to everyoen what is happening, but if the delaer forgets to do it (or does it when he isn't suppsoed to) it does not affect the outcome of the hand.

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The tapping the muck is a ritual to make it clear to everyoen what is happening, but if the delaer forgets to do it (or does it when he isn't suppsoed to) it does not affect the outcome of the hand.

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Yes!

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The tapping the muck is a ritual to make it clear to everyoen what is happening, but if the delaer forgets to do it (or does it when he isn't suppsoed to) it does not affect the outcome of the hand.

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Can you print this and send it to every dealer, floorman, and player. Please.

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The tapping the muck is a ritual to make it clear to everyoen what is happening, but if the delaer forgets to do it (or does it when he isn't suppsoed to) it does not affect the outcome of the hand.

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Can you print this and send it to every dealer, floorman, and player. Please.

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But i thought the muck had magical powers. I was considering throwing the muck at a player to see if it killed him.

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But i thought the muck had magical powers. I was considering throwing the muck at a player to see if it killed him.

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I'd pay money to see this.

-d

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But i thought the muck had magical powers. I was considering throwing the muck at a player to see if it killed him.

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I'd pay money to see this.

-d

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How Much?