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Here is the deal, I read over the thread about how people play their pocket pairs like they are OMGSOSTRONG, and then I was playing in a $.50+.10 sit n go and something happened, and I thought I would share it to see what you all (ya'll, for those in the south) think about it.

Let me set the mood.... Its like the 3rd of 4th hand of the tourney, level 1, blinds 15/30, I am on sb duty and have 1445 after I post the SB, and the guy to my left has 1065 (he won a hand)

OK, so, I am dealt 89o on the small blind and everyone has folded at the table except for me (hero) and the BB (meany villain) so I think that maybe I can scare him into folding by raising 1 BB worth of value, but the idiot calls!!!!! so now i am thinking "wtf could this donkeyfish have?" the flop comes 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], so I am thinking "sweetness, there is a god, i have TPWOHOAMK (Top Pair With One Hell Of A Mediocre Kicker) so i bet.....4x the BB, and the donkeyfish calls.

So, we will see the turn, which is a J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], and I think to myself "enough of this tomfoolery, I am going to take this sucker out" I bet 4x the BB again, "lets see how he likes that" and I feel good about it, so in the text box, I type "I dare you to call THAT, donkeyfish hahahaha, your chips will be mine, and next, your GIRLFFRIEND!!! hahahaha" he calls, and falls right into my little trap. Then comes the river...

The river is a 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], no help to me, I check the board to see if there is a flush possible but there are 2 spears[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and two flowers[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and a heart[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], so I bet.....6x the BB!!!!...... then, and I dont get this, the donkeyfish raises me!!! now I know this mokey's game, he is trying to scare me out of the hand, so I dont even think twice about what I have to do next.....I type "I am not afraid of you, donkeyfish" and I immediately hit the "call" button!!!

This donkeyfish turns over 22, he had 3, 2's!!!!!!! he had called my preflop raise with 22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was amazed at this idiot....who calls a preflop raise with 22?!?!?! on what planets is that hand good???? certainly not on America!!!!!!

Who is teaching these morons how to play? where can I find them? and is it legal to kill them here in the US?

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I feel your pain.

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Hope this clears things up.
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who calls a preflop raise with 22?!?!?!

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what planets is that hand good????

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certainly not on America!!!!!!

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Who is teaching these morons how to play?

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where can I find them

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and is it legal to kill them here in the US?

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I suspect this post is satirical, but if it is not then I recommend you never raise PF by 1bb. by raising 1bb you are giving the big blind odds of 3:1, which means he can play any two cards unless s/he has a stupendous read, which cannot be the case on the 4th hand of the match.

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What the hell is going on here. Is OP serious? So BB is supposed to fold a weak steal attempt with a low pocket pair? If he hits the flop (which he did) he could take all or most of your chips (which he did). If you're raising with AK even he has more than a 50% chance to win the hand, let alone 89o. I have no clue if you're serious or not (I'd bet that you aren't), but if so, seriously, quit playing before you lose all your money.

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What the hell is going on here. Is OP serious? So BB is supposed to fold a weak steal attempt with a low pocket pair? If he hits the flop (which he did) he could take all or most of your chips (which he did). If you're raising with AK even he has more than a 50% chance to win the hand, let alone 89o. I have no clue if you're serious or not (I'd bet that you aren't), but if so, seriously, quit playing before you lose all your money.

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OP is trying to improve his play based on the pure genius posted HERE. Maybe you should too...

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hey Harding, no i am not "satrical" i am a christian. i was thinking about betting more preflop, but why would i bet more preflop if i didnt even have a face card, let alone a pocket pair. the bottom line is, that i have 6 card that give me higher pairs than what he has, and that doesnt take into consideration the combos of cards that give me straights, everyone knows that connectors are the best drawung hand, and should the board show 4 to a flush, i win then as well, he only really has 2 cards which can essentially help his hand, the point is that he is a moron for playing them and got really lucky, and thats all.

i guess some people love playing their luck.

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What the hell is going on here. Is OP serious? So BB is supposed to fold a weak steal attempt with a low pocket pair? If he hits the flop (which he did) he could take all or most of your chips (which he did). If you're raising with AK even he has more than a 50% chance to win the hand, let alone 89o. I have no clue if you're serious or not (I'd bet that you aren't), but if so, seriously, quit playing before you lose all your money.

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Hey, Johny Genius......THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL!!!!! OVERCARDS ARE BETTER ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE WEAKEST POCKET PAIR YOU CAN EVER POSSIBLY HAVE!!!!....but hey, maybe you are 100% right, and maybe i should just never raise because there is a damn good chance that someone at my tabl has a pocket pair, so from now on i am not going to play AK simply because you have enlightened me to what the world of poker is really all about, and that AK sucks, man, what a moron i have been, i am not raising preflop with anything anymore no matter what it i have or what it is, because hey, AVISCO01 said it was "unsmart" to.........by the way did i mention that i am dating both pamela anderson and carmen electra, THAT WILL BE THE DAY!!!!!

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lol this thread is sorta funny. mostly cuz some ppl are taking it seriously. kinda hilarious

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lol this thread is sorta funny. mostly cuz some ppl are taking it seriously. kinda hilarious

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well hey, i am glad you think it is funny...wait until it happens to you, with your money, and your pride on the line, and btw, just so you guys know, i finished 4th in that tourney...looks like you guys thought i was a lot dumber than i actually am.

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lol this thread is sorta funny. mostly cuz some ppl are taking it seriously. kinda hilarious

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well hey, i am glad you think it is funny...wait until it happens to you, with your money, and your pride on the line, and btw, just so you guys know, i finished 4th in that tourney...looks like you guys thought i was a lot dumber than i actually am.

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oh, good to hear. i was gonna say, if you busted out on that hand, let me know, ill transfer you the 60 cents so you can play another one.

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"why would i bet more preflop if i didnt even have a face card, let alone a pocket pair."

Because you'd be happy if your opponent folded, allowing you to profit while holding a weak hand. 89o is only profitable as a drawing hand if there are a lot of people to see the flop with you to potentially pay you off on the few times that you actually make a strong hand.

You failed to steal because you bet too small (try ~4bb next time), and you aren't getting the right situation to draw to your striaght (except as a backup incase he calls your steal attempt). You were very lucky to get top pair no kicker, so your pot size flop bet was correct. But, you opponent's call of your flop tells you that: s/he has a hand, s/he has overcards, s/he is dumb, so you need to figure out. You probably should have bet twice the pot with such a vulnerable top pair hand to have the best chacne to end this hand right now with a profit. The turn J should be a scary card because it hits a lot of hand opponent could have called you with Pre flop but not reraise.

"should the board show 4 to a flush, i win then as well,"

No. Realize that if you do get your flush with four of one suit on the board, you will scare your opponent unless s/he also has a flush, which might beat you.

"he is a moron for playing them and got really lucky"

No. Your opponent looks skilled. pocket 2s will win the hand if you do not improve, or did not have a higher PP to start with.but, opponent can figure out where s/he stands by investing a bet on the flop and judging your reaction. But, s/he did not need to. What you need to realize with PPs is that they don't make a set very often, but when they do, they have a high chance of winning and sneak up on people who have good second place hands. When that happens, the holder of the set makes a lot of chips.

Your opponent played this hand perfectly: let you keep putting money in the pot without discouragement until the last moment when s/he makes a bet you cannot refuse. Learn from your opponent, and tournament fora and read everyone's discussion.

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Because you'd be happy if your opponent folded, allowing you to profit while holding a weak hand. 89o is only profitable as a drawing hand if there are a lot of people to see the flop with you to potentially pay you off on the few times that you actually make a strong hand.

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He's a 3:1 favorite with his overcards. He doesn't want to scare his opponent away.

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No. Realize that if you do get your flush with four of one suit on the board, you will scare your opponent unless s/he also has a flush, which might beat you.


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When was the last time you lost with a flush? This is bad advice, flushes are money-making hands. I looked at pokertracker, its says I'm way positive for flushes.

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and for the record, I still think you are trolling, and very likely jman posting under a different handle. but, JIC, take my advice.

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and for the record, I still think you are trolling, and very likely jman posting under a different handle. but, JIC, take my advice.

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Haha, I promise 100% he isn't me. And I knew someone was going to think he was.

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and for the record, I still think you are trolling, and very likely jman posting under a different handle. but, JIC, take my advice.

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Haha, I promise 100% he isn't me. And I knew someone was going to think he was.

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I can vouch for this not being jman and be 100% certain.

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and for the record, I still think you are trolling

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I was going to say the same to you. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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his draw is a 3:1 favorite...but not his chances of winning. Have you ever read any poker literature? The ideas of outs and pot odds are everywhere in them. you're obviously confusing something...stop calling names, stop trying to prove the world wrong...just relax and dialog with people in a calm manner. If this is how you interact with people in the real world I wouldn't be suprised to find that you have no real friends. pretty lonely world you live in

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LOL. Nobody believe this, but it's funny.

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ok A. i am not "JMAN220" as you can see, my name is "George" with a G it would make absolutely no sense whatsoever for me to call myself "JMAN" (i take it you live in Berkeley and that you do not attend school there, or maybe you do and its a JCC, this way when people ask you where you go to school you can say Berkeley and they will be impressed by that not knowing that they have recieved incomplete information)

As for the level of skill of the guy i am playing against, a raise would indicate that i have something better than just the average hand, he called with a marginal hand, and hit a 2 outer, he is a marlin, and just so you understand what that means, a "marlin" is a "big fish" i dont know whether you guys learn about fish in Berkeley.

if he had any skill whatsoever he would have folded, any pair beats 22, any straight with my cards beats any straight with his...... do you see where i am going with this? i hope to god so....

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lol good one. Glad to see you've learned how to spell moron. keep counting those outs. Good luck in the future

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his draw is a 3:1 favorite...but not his chances of winning. Have you ever read any poker literature? The ideas of outs and pot odds are everywhere in them. you're obviously confusing something...stop calling names, stop trying to prove the world wrong...just relax and dialog with people in a calm manner. If this is how you interact with people in the real world I wouldn't be suprised to find that you have no real friends. pretty lonely world you live in

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I'm sick and tired of misinformation like this being spread on this forum. I don't know what poker books you've been reading, but they are clearly horrible. The concept that jman refers to is clearly illustrated in:
http://www.bdids.com/images/PSAPbackb.jpg
I suggest you read this book before giving others terrible advice. Make sure to pay careful attention to chapters 3, 5, and 8, as they are the most relevant to the concepts georgiec and jman have presented in this thread.

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lol, bravo

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i think that post you replied to with "lol, bravo" was meant to demean you, i hope you caught wind of that

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"a raise would indicate that i have something better than just the average hand,"

Well, you *do* have an average hand. no more no less. There is more to raising than just doing it: you need to consider what you opponent will see. your raise gives the big blind 3:1 odds on his call- all s/he has to have is a 25% chance of winnining to make the play break even:
(+3)*25% + (-1)*75% = 0

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i think that post you replied to with "lol, bravo" was meant to demean you, i hope you caught wind of that

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I wasn't intending to demean him. He obviously has serious leaks in his game.

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"a raise would indicate that i have something better than just the average hand,"

Well, you *do* have an average hand. no more no less. There is more to raising than just doing it: you need to consider what you opponent will see. your raise gives the big blind 3:1 odds on his call- all s/he has to have is a 25% chance of winnining to make the play break even:
(+3)*25% + (-1)*75% = 0

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You also need to read the book in my post. All of this is pure nonsense, every poker hand is a coinflip, it either wins, or it doesn't. This fundamental concept is covered in chapter 6.

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The trolling half of this thread is now worth its existence.

hilarious post!.

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harding: needs to learn math

lotus: needs to learn to swim, his game has so many leaks that he may soon drown otherwise

jman:.....good guy, i would let him date my sister

tehmatt: are you perhaps an accountant? i could use one

avis: get a new pic, the matrix wasnt cool after 02, and also see advice for harding.

souldaddy: i am indifferent to you, but i am a huge robert goulet fan, so your ok with me...

and harding quit calling me a damn troll!!!!!!

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"and harding quit calling me a damn troll!!!!!! "

jman is the troll. you actually seem confused.

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not "confused" harding, more like "bicurious" but hey anytime you want to play, i am more than down. you can find me on AP under this same handle

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Standard.

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likewise, but you'd have to find me at my local brick and mortar, where i too play under this handle.

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Ok first of who plays 50 cent sit n go's...secoundly u raised 1 BB with 15/30 blinds...i would have called with nearly anything from the big blind....especially pocket 2's

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH genius...I agree Ill transfer you the 60 cents as well

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This topic is thoroughly awesome. Well played.

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first time it was funny but now its just lame.

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Ok first of who plays 50 cent sit n go's...secoundly u raised 1 BB with 15/30 blinds...i would have called with nearly anything from the big blind....especially pocket 2's

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Then you are the kind of moran that is making the rest of us rich.

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there are two flowers[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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no i am not "satrical" i am a christian.

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The first half of the subject line is right.

-ZEN

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two flowers[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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WTF? Those aren't flowers, those are puppy-toes.

At least, thats what one of the female dealers at the Mountain High in Blackhawk, CO calls them.