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ggbman 12-26-2005 02:18 PM

50/100 HU hand #1
 
I've been playing villian a lot latley HU. He's not horrible, but he moments of impatience and lapses in judgement where he makes very poor plays. So far he has been playing well. He opens from the SB for 300, i call with A2s.

Flop is 27Kr, and it goes check check. The turn is an offsuit Ace. I lead for 350, he makes 800, what is your play and why?

Yeti 12-26-2005 02:21 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
Stacks?

ggbman 12-26-2005 02:22 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
Sorry, we both prolly have 12-13k.

Yeti 12-26-2005 02:22 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
BTW, if you have been playing with him a lot lately, then you must be better qualified to answer this than us.

ggbman 12-26-2005 02:23 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
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BTW, if you have been playing with him a lot lately, then you must be better qualified to answer this than us.

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If anyone offered opinions significantly different than mine, i would probably stick to my guns b/c of my read on him. That said, i just want a general consesnus on what people usually do here to see if a lot of ppl are playing it differently than me.

Yeti 12-26-2005 02:26 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
I am usually the Villain in situations like this. I can't really remember ever facing it from your POV. Generally I call and pot the river.

AZK 12-26-2005 02:27 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
call. These HU questions are retarded though cause it's probably dependent on the last 100 hands you've played

ggbman 12-26-2005 02:31 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
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call. These HU questions are retarded though cause it's probably dependent on the last 100 hands you've played

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I already established that i will give a lot of credit to my own reads. That doesnt mean that productive discussion about this hand cannot occur. For example, if you really wanted to think about it, you could come up with the worse hand you think a villian might call a 3 bet with here. Based on that, you could say, "Gabe, 3 betting has no merit, just call and pot the river NOOB". Or maybe you dont feel that way. But i think there is room for discussion in this hand.

THATWACOKID 12-26-2005 03:48 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
it's kind of a weird play ... but i like a call and then lead for about 3/4 the pot on the river.

NLfool 12-26-2005 04:24 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
what's your plan should a K or 7 fall on the river?

12-26-2005 04:43 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
i dont play this high but whats your play if he pushes after you pot the river? wouldnt 3/4 pot be better so you can let it go if theres a push? or do you plan on calling?

Jason Strasser 12-26-2005 06:12 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
GGB,

If we're playing really fast I'll 3-bet and then value bet the river. If its a more slow paced match I'm much more likely to call the raise and evaluate the river. If the river looks like a blocking bet I might raise for value.

Anyway, I also think a flop lead is a strong play heads up. Against this type of opponent that is going to get flustered, you really want to lead a ton of flops. Especially if he's firing 2 bullets routinely... You also want to be able to lead your big hands and make big pots.

-Jason

whitelime 12-26-2005 07:59 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
I agree 100% with what AZK said. In asking for someone to tell you the "correct" play or even give you some sort of relevant thought process, you are drastically underestimating the importance of psychology and "the past 100 hands" in HU play. Think about how important some of the following are in your decision in this specific hand:

1) How aggro is your opponent in making continuation bets? Has he been firing a hand like K9 on a flop like this or does he check behind top pair on "safe" flops?

2) When he checks behind the flop, how often have you been leading on the turn? Have you been varying your betting from 1/4 pot to full pot or more concentrated in the 3/4-pot range?

3) Has he attempted to steal based on scare cards?

4) How smart is he? Does he try to disguise bluff-raises as value raises? Does he make thin overbets on the river? Or is he just an easy to read player who value bets strong hands and pots bluffs?

I'm sure you know that this list can continue much further. I'm not saying that you can't get some sort of reasonable discussion based on the information that you gave us. But my point is two-fold:

1) HU High Stakes NL discussion is pretty fruitless when people haven't been watching you play.

2) You should at least try to answer some of those questions I posted or give some sort of background about how you have been playing in a way that it applies to this specific hand. Even if you say something as basic as "he likes to make delayed continuation bets on the turn and follows through with turn bluff raises with bets on the river" it makes any response someone gives infinitely more applicable.

cero_z 12-26-2005 10:38 PM

Re: 50/100 HU hand #1
 
Hi ggbman,

Not sure what you're asking, here, so I'll throw out some things that may or may not be obvious.

I'd be cautiously assuming I have the best hand here. If I do, his hand isn't that good. If I don't, his hand is between very good and a monster. Thus, I want to play a pot with about $5K, max in it; if the pot gets bigger than that, I'm gonna lose or not get called on the end.


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