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ggbman 08-24-2005 08:48 AM

I HATE making this laydown
 
UTG is quite bad, he is the donator in the game. The SB was been very solid thusfar, i feel his calling range is fairly wide against UTG.



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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (14 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15 BB

ArturiusX 08-24-2005 09:04 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
I would too.

Jinx 08-24-2005 09:30 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
why would you call the turn and fold the river?

cmwck 08-24-2005 09:32 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
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why would you call the turn and fold the river?

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He has a draw to the nut flush.

krishanleong 08-24-2005 09:36 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
There aren't a whole lot of reasonable hands that beat you in this spot. Give the unreasonableness, I think you should call.

Krishan

Except flushes which I missed the first time. I'm not sure.

zimmer879 08-24-2005 11:48 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
I think this is a good fold. Solid SB waking up on the turn in a protected pot after coldcalling that flop means you're beat. There really aren't any goofy semibluffs that he might have here to justify calling the river imo, especially since you're holding the Kd.

mikeyKay 08-24-2005 11:53 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
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why would you call the turn and fold the river?

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He has a draw to the nut flush.

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and a few outs to fill up

-mike

Noodles 08-24-2005 11:58 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
15 BB in the pot? no way am i folding this ever,
folding when you are right saves you one measly bet,folding when you are wrong is a disaster,

jba 08-24-2005 11:59 AM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
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There aren't a whole lot of reasonable hands that beat you in this spot. Give the unreasonableness, I think you should call.

Krishan

Except flushes which I missed the first time. I'm not sure.

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if he has a flush it's a jack high flush, that seems pretty loose to call an UTG raise even from a donator.

we pretty much have to put villain on J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] / J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or AQ to think we're behind here. I can't think of much else he would have but for someone with a wide hand range I think I'd have to call that river.

ISF 08-24-2005 12:05 PM

Re: I HATE making this laydown
 
Getting 15-1 i think I would just call. He cant have J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T or AJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] one in 15 times? or some Qj [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]


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