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12-22-2005 03:15 PM

nut straight on monotone flop
 
This hand was terribly played. At what point do I let this go? It felt like a sin to drop it on the flop, the turn tiny raise was begging a call, and by the river it was a tiny bet. Yuck

Edit: villain is 36/20 and normal aggression. nothing stupid from him so far.
Edit2: 50NL. converter is bad.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($21.55)
BB ($41.70)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($50.10)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($60.25)</font>
Button ($22.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($7.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, BB calls $7, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $7, BB folds.

Turn: ($42.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

River: ($52.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $28.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $28.60.

Final Pot: $109.95

beavens 12-22-2005 03:21 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
im 3betting this flop - minraise is just probably a 4flush or straight draw with maybe a pair to go along with it.

nonheart turn i'm betting 2/3 to 3/4 pot and MAYBE folding to a raise - depends on what he does.

on a nonheart river i'm most likely putting him AI.

PinkSteel 12-22-2005 03:34 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
Given stacks, when UTG raises the flop it's push-or-fold time. I push. If he flopped the flush he's getting my money anyway, but I want to price him out of everything else.

Kyriefurro 12-22-2005 04:22 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
Two thoughts:

1) Villain has two hearts about 1/3 of the time (thanks Grunch [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). So 2/3 of the time you're winning this hand. That's pretty good equity and certainly worth calling down as long as another heart doesn't hit.

2) At the current stack sizes, calling a PSB on each street will result in your whole stack going in by the end of the hand.

Put these two thoughts together and I'm pushing on the flop.

12-22-2005 04:30 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
Does the fact that BB hasn't folded until after I call villain's minraise change anything?

12-22-2005 04:44 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
Initially, I was thinking, just call the flop. I don't really like pushing because I felt that would only get you called by made flushes and maybe a hand like K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. You have no redraws against a flush, and your something like 57/43 against a pair with a draw.

However, you can't let BB stick around. If you just call, your giving him 6 to 1. I would put him on the heart draw after he check-called a pot sized bet. I would 3 bet to price out BB.

Another thing. As played on the flop, why didn't you raise the turn? He bet 5 into a 40 something pot. That signals weakness and/or flush draw to me.

Morrek 12-22-2005 05:17 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
I'd push turn or fold flop(to his c/r). Decide on the flop how far you want to go, your hand isn't going to improve

12-22-2005 05:40 PM

Re: nut straight on monotone flop
 
*Grunch*
Personally? That is a terrifying flop. But it could have been for the others too. I would have bet half the pot on the flop seeing the possible {*Royal*} Flush to gather information, and folded to any raise from UTG considering what you say about his history.


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