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In 1939 Nazi Leader Herman Goering said,

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. "

boy did he hit that one right on the head. discuss

rj

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By the way folks, this country has never been attacked by terrorists.

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Grandpappy Prescott Bush sure did have some smart business partners there, didn't he?

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Bush = Nazi.... How many times have I heard this from complete nutcases.

Not going to waste my time discussing this.

If you want to actually learn something about dangers to civilization read:

1) Civilization and it's enemies: by Lee Harris (atleast first 6 chapters)
2) Lexus and Olive Tree: Thomas Friedman

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i didnt compare bush to hitler...i read this statement and i think it is a pretty accurate representation of what is going on now. and terrorists did attack us 3 years ago, only problem is they had nothing to do with iraq...sure it has been said that most of the terrorists were saudis and im sure im a "wacko liberal" for bringing it up but it is a tad nonsensical that the main country we are focusing on is iraq. in its context my quote still makes perfect sense. the administration did their best to convince us that iraq had attacked us, when in fact they had done nothing of the sort. we never "fought the war on terror" against the country that harbored most of the attackers, saudi arabia. it is a bit troubling that people would respond "yeah, not like terrorists attacked us or anything" to this quote. with that attitude, sure, lets go get saudi arabia. but immediately going after iraq is suspicious at best. and for the approval for the war, american people had to be lied to, which was exactly what the quote was pointing out.

rj

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Try reading the Congressional Record when Congress seized some of Prescott's nazi war booty profits.

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post a link, and I will

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I'm not in the mood to spoon feed.

Type "union bank bush" in google. Plenty of links.

The Union Bank was what Grandpa Bush used to funnel most of his Nazi profits from his corporations supplying Germany thru.

They took the bank away from him. Chased a couple of his shell corporations to Switzerland, etc. The Bush Family Fortune, Head of the CIA, Two Presidents, Senator, Two State Governers, were all started and built on Nazi Profits.

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The Union Bank was not owned by Bush. It was owned by a German Industrialist. When this industrialist parted with the NAzi Party after the Jewish genocide began, the German fled to Switzerland and was subsequently stripped of his citizenship and fortune by Hitler. Prescott Bush owned one share of the Union Banking Coporation. General Motors and Standard Oil both had intereste in Germany during the ascent of the Nazi Party. Additionally, the Anti-Defamation League called the characterizations of Prescott Bush as a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer "untenable and politically motivated" and categorically stated that "Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer."

Prescott Bush was a member of many coroporate boards, far more than than the few that were seized by the US government. The Bush fortune was not started on Nazi profits.

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Never by terrorists that had anything to do with Iraq.

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Thanks for researching that vulturesrow. I've had to research the Ford/GM Nazi connection before, but this is the first time I've heard a Bush-Nazi connection. There are so many ways conspiracy theorists can waste your time.

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After the war, a total of 18 additional Brown Brothers Harriman and Union Bank related client assets were seized under The Trading with the Enemy Act, including several that showed the continuation of a relationship with the Thyssen family after the initial 1942 seizures.

Yeah, those crazy conspiracy nuts in Congress taking all those businesses from Prescott Bush. Those jokers with the Trading with the Enemy Act! Bush was A DIRECTOR of Union Bank --- a little bit more influential role than owning 1 share! He was a major partner of Brown Brothers Harriman (along with his father-in-law) etc.

Amazing research by vulturesrow there --- Look, Look, look over here at GM. Uhhh, It was all this others guys fault. No he just owned one share... SPIN is spin, I guess it never changes.

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The irony of that statement is delicious.

1. Relationships with the the Thyssen family is irrelevant. Thyssen denounced the Nazi actions against the Jews as I pointed out. Yes Bush was the director but the point was that Bush had little ownership stake in the company. I pointed out GM and Standard Oil as an attempt to show that American investment in Germany was commonplace leading up to the ascent of Hitler and the Nazis.

With all that being said, so what? Even if Prescott Bush walked around with a sign that said "I love Nazi's", it hardly makes Bush 43 a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. Now you can go make a post under your Jokerswild account.

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Instead of discussing can we just hit you in the head again?

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what country is that?

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what country is that?

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your sarcasm detector may need a tune up.

cheers!

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I was serious. What country has never been attacked? What is he talking about?

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I was serious. What country has never been attacked? What is he talking about?

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Well....

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All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.


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Except we have been attacked. So it's not like the Bush administration is "telling" us anything. It's fact.

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Michael Moores film spells it all out. The Bushes are heavily invested in arms manufacturers. They needed to facilitate the attack on NYC to get innocent solders in Afghanistan (so UNOCAL could build a pipleline) and Iraq.

Wars equal munition sale$ and profit$...

Old Bush and the CIA put many puppets in place around the world for many decades, ran drugs and weapons into inner cities and caused many problems for the world.

The Bush family are world-level criminals.

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I think one could infer that the original poster thinks we were coerced into going to war in Iraq by the powers that be through what the quote describes.

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What are you saying .... We weren't attacked?

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Wow..... Michael Moore's film is nothing but lies, lies, and more lies. You must really have no idea what the actual facts are if you believe that. Read this:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

And it's not like this is some partisan Republicans writing this; Chris Hitchens is one of the most staunch Democrats there is.

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not by iraq...

rj

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jesus christ, i have only responded to this like 50 times, keep saying the same thing please...we werent attacked by iraq, but "the powers that be" certainly did a good job of convincing americans that we were. since many polls of "everyday" americans seemed to show that they thought it was saddam who attacked us. They may have thought this since bush hasnt brought up saudi arabia every and hardly says anything about afghanistan anymore. i dont understand why no one thinks it is the least bit suspicious that we chose to ignore saudi arabia(where most of the terrorists on the 9/11 planes were from/harbored by and instead we jump straight into starting a war with iraq with no plan for the second time in 15 years. what a spectacular idea...

rj

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Read sleeping with the devil- by an ex-cia agent who was trying to warn the Cia about the risk from the Saudi's. He explains very clearly why our government has an dwill continue to ignore them as a threat.

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We weren't? Read the article I posted in my previous reply to this thread.

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So I guess the Afghani elections weren't in the news at all this week....

And as far as Saudi Arabia is concerned, they may be hiding there, but where do you think the CIA caught 75% of Al Qaeda's leadership?

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wow, way to take what i said wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of context. i said that bush doesnt talk about afghanistan being a threat much anymore. but apparently he does because afghanistan has "been in the news lately" because they had elections. that is nowhere close to what i was talking about.

rj

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To be completely accurate you need some ellipsis in that quote. The exact quote is here:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

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If George W. Bush loses this election it will be due to the war in Iraq. You can't possibly say that the war in Iraq has helped Bush's election chances. The U.S. is divided on the war around 50-50 and I think recent polls show that most voters believe the U.S. made a mistake in going to war in Iraq. I don't see how this supportes the Goering quote in the least.