2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
2-5 NL Effective Stacks 1200
Hero Delt 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB (my image is supertight) MP opens to 25 (laggy) CO cold calls Hero Calls (super donk) Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] with a flush draw (Pot 77) Hero checks MP checks CO bets 100$ Hero Calls MP Calls Turn is 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot 375) Hero checks MP bets 200 CO cold calls 200$ Total Pot is now 775$ Whats my line? Raise? If so how much? or should I just call and let action develop on the river? Thanks in Advance |
Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
well i wich i knew you relative stack sizes, but given that your out of position you need to take control of the hand now. You cant smoothcall here and try CR the flop. Both of these players have shown action so take advantage of it. I would personally raise to 500 to keep them drawing too their flush draws. Hopefully one has kk to play back at you
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Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
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well i wich i knew you relative stack sizes, but given that your out of position you need to take control of the hand now. You cant smoothcall here and try CR the flop. Both of these players have shown action so take advantage of it. I would personally raise to 500 to keep them drawing too their flush draws. Hopefully one has kk to play back at you [/ QUOTE ] FYI I put effective stacks 1200 They both had around that amount 1200-1250 I had a little more than 1400 behind. |
Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
This flop is so draw heavy, I don't understand not checkraising the flop. Let's say you don't hit a 10 on the turn but rather any ace, 9 or club hits and you start getting a lot of action, what then?
Anyway, a pretty good turn card comes... It's pretty hard to mess up this hand. I see two ways to play this. If you think that the two players are drawing and you won't get paid off unless they hit, I'd reraise the turn, but not too big. Maybe make it 500. If you think one of them might have a legit hand, I'd call the turn and bet maybe 750 on the river. There is no way I'm just calling the turn and checking the river because I don't want the river checked through. With this big a hand you're going to have to control the action at some point. Oh yeah, since this seems to be live, i'd checkraise. If it were online, I'd probably call and fire on the river. |
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I think you step in here with a minraise. Yes, minraise. Adds confusion, begs for another re-raise. If no re-raise and both are on board then you have a pot of ~$1600 and everyone is left with effective stacks of ~$700. Push the river. Who's getting away?
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This flop is so draw heavy, I don't understand not checkraising the flop. Let's say you don't hit a 10 on the turn but rather any ace, 9 or club hits and you start getting a lot of action, what then? Anyway, a pretty good turn card comes... It's pretty hard to mess up this hand. I see two ways to play this. If you think that the two players are drawing and you won't get paid off unless they hit, I'd reraise the turn, but not too big. Maybe make it 500. If you think one of them might have a legit hand, I'd call the turn and bet maybe 750 on the river. There is no way I'm just calling the turn and checking the river because I don't want the river checked through. With this big a hand you're going to have to control the action at some point. Oh yeah, since this seems to be live, i'd checkraise. If it were online, I'd probably call and fire on the river. [/ QUOTE ] As for not not check-raising the flop, I agree with you. I usually raise there 9 out of 10 times. I felt like gambling a bit there as doing so in my mind improve my chances of stacking them both. I felt if a blank falls on the turn I will make a ton as both players were not afraid to fire and aggressive. Also, I wanted an overcall there and by raising I feel like MP folds almost always in that spot. I feel as long as your capable of getting away from your set to crazy action, gambling there by just colding calling is not horrible but long term +EV. But again thats just my instinct. Im not quite sure how the math works out. |
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I agree that you don't always want to raise a set with a draw on the board, just not in a position like this. This is a multiway pot with multiple draws (possible straight and club draws) that are likely. Also, I'd raise with a lot of draws here. I think if you raise the flop, you will still get called by a draw and probably by AK.
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Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
Raise the flop!
Raise the turn, with this line raise to about $600 total on the turn. |
Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
lead the flop.
push the river... you missed your clubs, you've been calling. |
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Check/calling this flop against two opponents was a big gamble. There are a lot of cards out there that will make you throw up. As played, I probably raise the turn to $400. That gives everybody in the hand the proper odds to call. You will probably get a push from a K-K and maybe even from Ac-Xc.
That was a hell of a turn card for you. Hopefully you stacked them both. |
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This story so needs one of the villains to have KK and a K to fall on river.....
I think Call Turn and Bet River....You have to bet river as u may find they check behind.... |
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You will probably get a push from a K-K and maybe even from Ac-Xc. [/ QUOTE ] huh. you think? |
River...
I just called the turn.
Pot is now 975 River is a 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Whats the plan and how much? |
Re: River...
Man, raise that flop and that turn. I hate the way you got to the river. Lead for 500 and see what happens given where you are. A of clubs def. calls and may push.
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Check/calling this flop against two opponents was a big gamble. There are a lot of cards out there that will make you throw up. As played, I probably raise the turn to $400. That gives everybody in the hand the proper odds to call. You will probably get a push from a K-K and maybe even from Ac-Xc. That was a hell of a turn card for you. Hopefully you stacked them both. [/ QUOTE ] Couldnt ask for a better turn |
Re: River...
This is a bad river card for you. It kills your action from the non-nut flush. I probably lead for $500 and hope that the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] decides to push. He will certainly pay off the $500 as he is getting 3 to 1 on his money and there is too much of a chance that you don't have a boat. The only way you get action from the other guy is if he has a boat.
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Results.....
I followed my awkward line with even a more awkward river.
I checked (perhaps it was the buzz I had going I never check there). MP bet 100 (not sure what his goal was that was wierd) CO pushes for 800ish I push MP folds (he typed he folded the Ace high flush) CO shows KK Hero takes down pot |
Re: River...
Before I wrote that I'd bet 750, but I didn't realize that would leave you so little behind. It's been a while since I've played live and I think my online mentality is clouding my thoughts here. But as stated by the previous posters, 500 seems good. Or I'd go all in.
Going all in seems risky, but might get called by a flush or some moron who has seen too much poker on TV and thinks you are bluffing. The problem with betting 500 is what's going to call you that won't call a bigger bet? |
Re: River...
The line I liked best was the min -raise that confuses people and It begs for a re-raise. Had I repay this hand I minraise the turn.
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Re: 2-5 NL semi-deep stacks. how much to turn bet if at all......
Checkraise the pot on the flop
Then bet half pot on the turn If you have money left, it goes in on the river. |
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Checkraise the pot on the flop Then bet half pot on the turn If you have money left, it goes in on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Your 100% right Asian woman are the nutz..... |
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