Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

Party 25NL

So here it is down and dirty. My hand is visible and two people calleda pot-sized bet. And they have position on me. What to do?

I know it's a drawing board but there are many hands that beat me. Sets, 2pairs. And they both call pot sized bet from pre-flop raiser on A flop.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx


UTG+1 ($24.30)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 :#A500AF(Villan)/ ($28.75)</font>
MP2 ($18)
MP3 ($4.75)
CO ($28.30)
Button ($33.10)
SB ($42.75)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($23.40)</font>
UTG ($15.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 :#A500AF(Villan)/ calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, UTG calls $0.50, MP1 :#A500AF(Villan)/ calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($3.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG folds, Villan calls $3, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($12.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ??</font>

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

when you know you'll be out of position after the flop why aren't you raising more preflop?

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

AK in BB.. i like to raise 5-6x the big blind.. and end the hand right there, winning a pot with ace high is always a good result.. but apparently at this table you need to raise more than that to have the same effect.

if you had raised more preflop, then you would "probably" have fewer opponents to worry about. then you could play aggressively into a bigger pot and hopefuly win more money and with a higher chance of winning.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

You just minraised out of the BB. OY! Don't ever do this again. Ever. That's the only lesson you need for this hand. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

Big mistake PF, raise more to thin the field. 1.25-1.50 should do the trick.

The board is draw-heavy so I usually lead out the turn for 8-9 (most often I get 2 folds). If you get called, it's most likely a split between some chaser who can't let go, a lesser ace or a better hand than yours (78, set). No matter what, once you bet the turn, you're pretty much committed.

You could bet less (6$) and fold to a raise, but be aware that you now offer attractive odds to probable drawers.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

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I know it's a drawing board but there are many hands that beat me. Sets, 2pairs. And they both call pot sized bet from pre-flop raiser on A flop.


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Sets and 2-pair hands would be making a mistake by not raising your flop bet, since they should be the ones concerned about draws.

Your opponents are drawing. Lead the turn hard.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

although u gotta remember, you DO want people who are on the draw to call your bet.. but wrong odds to do so.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

Your pre flop raise was way too small.....at least 1 bet for each limper in the pot. On the turn bet half the pot and hope you only end up with 1 villan. Fold to a large re-raise.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

Yes I want them to call 9 on the turn. 6 is border-correct odds if you consider implied odds. But you have to remember that you might also want to balance out giving wrong odds and not committing yourself w TPTK vs 2 players. Reads are helpful in a spot like this.

Re: Party 25NL. AK tptk, bets pot gets two callers.
 

Yuck, the min raise in the BB is simply horrible! Don't do it! You're simply creating a bigger pot, OOP with a non-made hand. Pump this up to $1.50 PF or do not raise at all.

NOW when you make a pot sized bet on the flop, you will have a much better idea where you are based upon villians reactions.

Now, as it's played out. And assuming we have no reads on villian? I Bet $10 on the turn, if raised it's too late I'm going to have to call with the stack sizes as they are. Any decent villian here would raise with a set or two pair, holdings here are more likely to be weaker aces, straight or flush draws.

But you see by raising this higher PF, you will get rid of anyone with A8, A7, or 87 which can all beat you now, and give you a much better chance of winning this pot.