2nd pair river raise
 

villain is 50.63/1.72/0.78 after 90 hands. this is the 3rd time i've open raised with him in the BB, he's called then donked the flop and kept betting/raising every time, and i haven't seen a showdown yet. too thin or what?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

I like it. This type of player wont fold a pair unless you shoot him and take his cards and muck them yourself. I also think we've got an easy fold to a 3bet.

Sometimes I raise the turn though, it depends on what I want to accomplish.

Surf

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

seems good, obv. if he 3 bets fold. i would give him something like 8T, 8Qs.
dave

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

I don't like it. I would raise the turn but if I didn't do that I would just call the river. What is he calling a river raise with that you beat?

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

I think this is a good way to deal with opponents like this. Easy fold to a three bet IMO unless this guy is a total wack job.

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

8x, 3x, maybe a PP, who knows.... the guy is bad.

i waited till the river because i wanted to let him fire one more bullet if he didn't have a hand, and i felt much safer folding to a river 3-bet than a turn one.

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

i raise the turn here and call down a 3bet here. against most people i muck the flop but im not sure. your line is fine too, but on such a drawless flop theres no reason to wait till the river

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

This is perfect in my opinion. I think taking lines like this is the perfect counter to a chronic donk bettor.

Cartman

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

i think the river goes check-bet-call too much to give up on the immediate value in raising the turn. if hes bluffing he might not bluff the river again anyway.

Re: 2nd pair river raise
 

I'm with the "raise the turn" crew. You'll still get called down by any 8, 3 or PP. On top of that, you get the value in from any air hands that turned a draw (i.e. TJ, QJ, QT, 2 clubs) that might just c/f on the river. If this guy's a chronic donker, those hands aren't beyond the realm of possiblity.