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SGS 12-01-2005 06:01 AM

I just wanna beat you
 
So I have AA UTG+1 in a 2/4 6 max game at party and raise UTG limper to 16 and all fold to UTG limper who calls. UTG limper seems to be ok, I played with him a little before and was killing him in that game. In the previous game he even said somethin about it. Something to the effects of "I just want to beat you, you are killing me." Not sure if he remebered, but probably. He has roughly 365 i cover. So anyways, to the flop.

FLOP 4,5,10 rainbow

He bets 25 and I make it 70 to go. He calls without much hesitation.

TURN 7h two hearts now

He checks and I check behind.

RIVER 2o

He immediately pushes in for 271, which I have never seen him make an overbet like this. What do you do?

SGS

psyduck 12-01-2005 06:06 AM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
I don't get the turn check.

I auto-call the river because of past history between you two.

12-01-2005 06:16 AM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
wow that turn check is gross....id probably call and lose. Maybe he has 67...

JMP300z 12-01-2005 08:26 AM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
SGS,

Autocall, instacall whatever. You say on the turn that you have overcards that missed. He pushes river. Autocall.

-JP

RobbyD 12-01-2005 11:34 AM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
I think you should never check that turn. Only time you want to check the turn is to induce a bluff. You obviously are not happy about inducing his all-in. This hand isnt close either way, one of you is CRUSHED! His likely holdings are a hand like JJ, TT, 99 or AT, KT etc. I think your ahead often enough to call. What happened?

creedofhubris 12-01-2005 12:22 PM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
One reason you check the turn is to induce big bluffs/big calls on the river.

Well, it happened. So call.

Sifmole 12-01-2005 02:55 PM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
[ QUOTE ]
So I have AA UTG+1 in a 2/4 6 max game at party and raise UTG limper to 16 and all fold to UTG limper who calls. UTG limper seems to be ok, I played with him a little before and was killing him in that game. In the previous game he even said somethin about it. Something to the effects of "I just want to beat you, you are killing me." Not sure if he remebered, but probably. He has roughly 365 i cover. So anyways, to the flop.

FLOP 4,5,10 rainbow

He bets 25 and I make it 70 to go. He calls without much hesitation.

TURN 7h two hearts now

He checks and I check behind.

RIVER 2o

He immediately pushes in for 271, which
which I have never seen him make an overbet like this. What do you do?

SGS

[/ QUOTE ]


Some very important information missing here:
1) has he seen you raise often? or only what would account for the premium pairs and AK?

2) Has seen ever seen you raise a flop bet like that and then fold later? seen you do and show down UI or non-overpair?

I would not be surpised at all to find out he had a set of tens or fives. He bet into the PF raiser so you would raise with your AA/KK then checked the turn hoping you would fire at his "weakness" again. When you didn't he figured he'd fire large at the river because "it couldn't have helped him, and he checked weak on the turn" so "he's obviously bluffing to get rid of me".

ajmargarine 12-01-2005 02:59 PM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
[ QUOTE ]
One reason you check the turn is to induce big bluffs/big calls on the river.

Well, it happened. So call.

[/ QUOTE ]

xcrack999 12-01-2005 03:06 PM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
What's so bad about that turn check? I don't mind it at all, especially against someone who's gunning for you.

SGS 12-01-2005 03:18 PM

Re: I just wanna beat you
 
I had been kind of lagging it up pre flop in our previous session. This session, however I had been more in line. He had seen me raise the flops with draws before, but this board is pretty drawless.

SGS


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