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STOLE $100 from the runner. people like you need to be deported.

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Nh Sir

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Why will the runner get in trouble? The problem is with the cashier, who will be short.

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Several points:

1. Yes SOMEONE was accountable for that money. This is a casino and they keep track of every dime, otherwise theft would be rampant (and there is probably already plenty).

If the runner didn't have to pay for it then his/her supervisor did or the pokre room manager or someone, the buck stopped somewhere.

2. Was this "morally" wrong? Yes. It's a common scenario though. Say the teller at the bank gives you an extra $20, the guy at the gas station gives you change for a $20 when you handed him a $10, etc. The question becomes "Are you under a moral obligation to point out an error someone made that is favorable to you and costly to them, even though you did not actively participate in said error." Most people in our society say yes.

3. There are ALOT of hypocrites on this thread. While many would have pointed out the error, many who say they would have in actuallity would NOT have.

4. The really callous would argue that the chip runner KNOWS he's accountable for over-changing and thus if he makes the mistake he deserves to pay it. The casinos make them accountable to provide movitation to NOT make mistakes.

5. $100 means different things to differnet people. To the chip runner making a low hourly wage it probably meant alot. To a player playing 10/20 hold em it probably means very little, something to keep in mind.

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I was picking up my share of a tourney chop a couple of weeks ago. My share was $670. The TD counted out $770. I pointed out the error and took the correct amount. I really can't imagine doing it any other way.

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you are a punk. that is all.

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That's not really the word you want to use, is it? I mean, "punk" just doesn't work here, IMO. You should try again.

Sparks

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Yeah, I think he just momentarily forgot how to spell "fucktard"

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So basically, you are feeling guilty and are hoping that we can make you feel better.

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Uhhh, no.

Sparks

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This would be a bad time to repeat the story about the extra $500 Bay 101 gave me once huh? Fuck 'em... that's my take.

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I made the original post because I thought it was an interesting thing that happened in a B&M. I was curious if anyone - such as a casino employee, chip runner, etc. -- might actually know something about the accounting procedures for chip runners on the floor of a casino. I certainly was not looking for approval, or validation, or whatever, about my decision to keep the money. But, in light of the enthusiastic, albeit childish, admonitions against me, I might as well comment on my thought process when I realized I was over-changed a hundred dollars. I considered the following, all in the span of about 20 seconds:

First, I was in a casino, a business which flat out takes advantage of certain people's weakness for gambling. Without a doubt, countless lives have been ruined, or at least severely affected by the casino's business model, which combined with addictive gambling personalities, costs many people hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, monthly. In almost any other venue I can think of (bank, retail, etc.) I would not have kept the money. I wasn’t in church, I wasn’t at the grocery store, and I wasn’t at the ball park. I was in a casino.

Second, there is a certain sense of “getting the best of it” when in a casino. It’s a dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest environment. I don’t take angle shots when playing cards, and if some old guy is exposing his cards to me, I’ll tell him. But in general, I want to get the best of it when I’m in a casino.

Third, the casino is a friggin’ cash cow. The financial numbers of most casinos, and certainly the one I was in, are basically staggering. As I mentioned, it’s close to a quarter million dollars top line, every day, 365 days a year. Of course the question is, does the hundred come out of the casino’s pocket, or the chip runner’s. It’s an important question, yet to be thoroughly covered. And I suspect that any lawyer worth his salt could crush a casino which tried to fire an employee for an error like this. Now, if it’s the third time it’s happened in a month, then the guy should be fired, as he is incompetent.

Fourth, I don’t happen to like the chip runner that over-changed me. He’s smug, unfriendly, and rude. The other runners that I see most often are friendly and affable.

Lastly, it was not an irrevocable thing. I could, and who knows, still may, return the money. If I were to hear some half-way cogent argument as to why I should, it might actually make a difference. And I mean that. So far, I haven’t seen a thing, although UAT made a decent effort. Saying I “stole” the money is meaningless hyperbole.

I must confess though that I must have been feeling a little guilty, because before I left, many hours later, I greased the floorman $100, as I had a big night. He’s a totally cool guy, and it’s been a while since I toked him. That, felt great.

Sparks

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So stealing from the rich isn't stealing, because they make money?

And since the casino business is degenerate and you are clearly a moral paragon, you're entitled to take whatever you can get from them, even if it is wrong? Never mind that YOU intend to get your own slice from the degenerate gamblers, making yourself into a mini-casino.

Also, since you didn't like the chip runner, he deserved it too.

You had four different rationalizations in 20 seconds. Nice to see how adults do things, as opposed to the childish people deriding your decision.

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I considered the following, all in the span of about 20 seconds:

Wow, a hundred bucks. I think I'll steal it.

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Fixed your post.

Martin