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12-22-2005 01:55 PM

Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
I've got 10k, sitting at a 50/100 table with fizzlesticks and a bunch of unknowns. I get dealt KA spades UTG. I pop it up to 350, guy on my left with a full stack calls as well as BB (he had about 5k I believe). Flop comes [10s Qs 4d]. I bet 600, about half the pot, looking to get raised. Guy on my left calls, BB folds. Turn comes 8d. I bet 1500, he calls. River comes 3s. I bet 3k. Guy folds. Thoughts?

thabadguy 12-22-2005 02:05 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
I like the flop bet .
How about a turn c/r allin??
I will often check this turn, with the intention of checkraising all-in.
If he checks after, you get a free card,
If he bets, and you shove, it is difficult for him to call without AQ.
On the river i think a bet is fine, as he will be looking to showdown a queen, and if he has a lower flush, which is unlikely..you'll get it all in anyways.

hit_the_set 12-22-2005 05:01 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
I like the way you played this hand. I dont like the CR allin here. He is most likely on a draw here like you did and you controlled the action. nh

Ulysses 12-22-2005 05:08 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
j,

Who is opponent? What is your UB screenname?

12-22-2005 05:16 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
I don't remember.

12-22-2005 06:31 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
[ QUOTE ]
I like the flop bet .
How about a turn c/r allin??
I will often check this turn, with the intention of checkraising all-in.
If he checks after, you get a free card,
If he bets, and you shove, it is difficult for him to call without AQ.
On the river i think a bet is fine, as he will be looking to showdown a queen, and if he has a lower flush, which is unlikely..you'll get it all in anyways.

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Interesting. I'm not sure I like a turn check-raise- I feel that if the villain was any good, he would see that I'm on a draw and call me with any queen, especially since I made such a pussy bet on the flop.
An alternative line I could have taken is pot flop, shove turn, repping AQ/overpair/set. Do you think this would have been a better line?

Ulysses 12-22-2005 07:23 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
j,

Did this hand really happen?

12-22-2005 07:46 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
Yeah why do you ask, akshawndick?

Ulysses 12-22-2005 08:04 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
j,

Well, you found this hand interesting enough to post, yet claim not to remember who your opponent was and won't disclose your name on the site. This information is necessary to provide any real insight into this hand.

12-22-2005 08:12 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
The hand history wouldn't load when I was playing. My screenname is kharybdis, if it makes you happy. Like I said I don't remember the villain's name. Now give me some insight.

Wayfare 12-22-2005 08:26 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
Wow for once el diab seems to be earnest and someone is really giving him a load of s--- for it.

Sponger15SB 12-22-2005 08:35 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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Do my nuts taste salty?

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hahahaha you're so [censored] lame.

12-22-2005 08:44 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
That was the point, say something corny to get people to respond. Next time I'll go with "nutz in yo mouf loller I'm gay"

KaneKungFu123 12-23-2005 12:58 AM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
i like your style jjackal.

12-23-2005 02:05 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
What about betting smaller on the river to make it look like you are scared of the flush card hittting? I'm not saying your bet was bad but it looks very likely the way you played it that you do have the flush...

12-23-2005 04:35 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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What about betting smaller on the river to make it look like you are scared of the flush card hittting? I'm not saying your bet was bad but it looks very likely the way you played it that you do have the flush...

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Also, what was your plan if a blank hit on the end?

12-23-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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What about betting smaller on the river to make it look like you are scared of the flush card hittting? I'm not saying your bet was bad but it looks very likely the way you played it that you do have the flush...

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Also, what was your plan if a blank hit on the end?

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I agree, I should've bet smaller, my play is too transparent. Given the way I played the flop and turn, I think it's kinda obvious that I'm drawing- I don't think I would get a fold often enough to justify bluffing when a blank falls. Villain could easily have called with AQ/KQ/JQ.
Good questions man.

thabadguy 12-24-2005 11:48 AM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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I like the way you played this hand. I dont like the CR allin here. He is most likely on a draw here like you did and you controlled the action. nh

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If you think he is on a draw, then what does the river bet accomplish???
He isnt calling with a missed draw,and i dont think a lower flush draw is likely because he called flop and turn, at these limits that is very very unlikely.
Check river then or block it, that bet is a little big to be a blocker i think.
I really dont think a turn CR allin screams draw, sure u bet small on flop, but that might be a bet that wants to be raised...who knows..
I really dont think a turn CR allin is called by anything worse than KQ.

hit_the_set 12-24-2005 12:31 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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I like the way you played this hand. I dont like the CR allin here. He is most likely on a draw here like you did and you controlled the action. nh

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If you think he is on a draw, then what does the river bet accomplish???
He isnt calling with a missed draw,and i dont think a lower flush draw is likely because he called flop and turn, at these limits that is very very unlikely.
Check river then or block it, that bet is a little big to be a blocker i think.
I really dont think a turn CR allin screams draw, sure u bet small on flop, but that might be a bet that wants to be raised...who knows..
I really dont think a turn CR allin is called by anything worse than KQ.

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What is villain calling flop and turn with? At these limits, people dont cold call twice when they have top pair(on a draw heavy board). You had figure villain would put in a raise somewhere unless hes very very passive.

The way the hand played out, it looks more likely that villain was on a draw. One of hero's outs could be an out for the villain. This is why I want him in the hand.

Do you prefer a value bet on the river?

durrrr 12-24-2005 02:55 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
[ QUOTE ]
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I like the way you played this hand. I dont like the CR allin here. He is most likely on a draw here like you did and you controlled the action. nh

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If you think he is on a draw, then what does the river bet accomplish???
He isnt calling with a missed draw,and i dont think a lower flush draw is likely because he called flop and turn, at these limits that is very very unlikely.
Check river then or block it, that bet is a little big to be a blocker i think.
I really dont think a turn CR allin screams draw, sure u bet small on flop, but that might be a bet that wants to be raised...who knows..
I really dont think a turn CR allin is called by anything worse than KQ.

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While a turn CR ai probably shouldnt be called by weak hands; people in these games LOVE to make hero calls. Many people are "taking a shot" even if its a prolonged one.

thabadguy 12-24-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
I also dont think they call 2 streets with a flush draw...
if they're gonna be in there with a flush draw..theyre gonna raise it either on flop or turn.
And i think a hand like KJ is gonna raise, calling 2 streets with an OESD is an anomaly i think.

12-24-2005 06:00 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
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I also dont think they call 2 streets with a flush draw...
if they're gonna be in there with a flush draw..theyre gonna raise it either on flop or turn.
And i think a hand like KJ is gonna raise, calling 2 streets with an OESD is an anomaly i think.

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Maybe villain had 2 diamonds- I could see him playing AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, or KdJd this way.

Ulysses 12-24-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Do my nuts taste salty? 50/100 UB 6 max
 
j,

Most will raise the turn with those hands.


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