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AA suited 10-28-2005 09:34 AM

Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
Is there one Myers-Briggs category that best fits a poker player?

10-28-2005 10:15 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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Is there one Myers-Briggs category that best fits a poker player?

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I am an INFP, which apparently is not all that common among poker players.

jskills 10-28-2005 12:47 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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Is there one Myers-Briggs category that best fits a poker player?

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No.

People of various personality types play and are successful at poker.

One thing to be aware of is that Myers Briggs letter types mean less than the actual numbers associated with them. for example, you and I could be be ENTP, but my E score could be 50 while yours could be 5, making me a much larger extrovert. So I think if you're really looking to correlate Myers-Briggs w/ poker, you may want to look at the individual traits measured rather than the perfect letter type.

I'd have to say it would probably be better to be a "T" (thinker) rather than an "F" (feeler), since emotion can get in the way in decision making. However, you wouldn't want to high of a "T" score, since that lack of empathy could be deterimental in reading people. Having a higher "P" score is clearly better for people who wish to multi-table online, since this score indicates how well you handle multitasking. Is it better to be an "E" (extrovert) or "I" (introvert)? Not sure there is anything definitive we could point to in terms of success at poker here. Some of the best players love to talk constantly and others don't say a word.

So I think it needs to be looked at at a more granular level than just overall category ...

SNOWBALL138 10-28-2005 04:04 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
good poker players think quickly, use logic, have good focus, and good emotional control. Myers-Briggs doesn't measure this. In addition, that test was created by a Jungian dillatante homemaker, and psychologists don't take that test seriously.
Studies show that, according to test results, your personality type can change a week later, and people also get different results based on the time of day.

krimson 10-28-2005 04:08 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
I would bet that a number of internet players are INTP. It seems to fit the mold.

Perseus 10-28-2005 05:32 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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I would bet that a number of internet players are INTP. It seems to fit the mold.

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This is exactly what I tested as in high school.

deacsoft 10-28-2005 05:39 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
There was a big thread about this quite some time ago. You can probably find it in the archives. I believe the findings were that a high number of members of this forum (at that time) were iNTj. Wether or not they are good poker players is a whole different story.
For the record, I'm an iNTj and fit the description 100%.

SNOWBALL138 10-28-2005 07:23 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
I came out INTP also.

But I also think the test is given too much legitimacy. See my above post.

10-28-2005 09:36 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
The Myers-Briggs is a quick and dirty test that does not measure much of anything. It was created in Isabel Myers' head and normed on no one. It's junk gutter social science.

10-28-2005 09:38 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
Well put, Sir, it has no validity and no reliability. You should see the way teachers embrace it. It's quite depressing.

RiverTheNuts 10-28-2005 09:58 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
I am INTj/p ... my perceptive judgemental score is almost dead even

sabre170 10-28-2005 10:00 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
Doesn't M-B put all of humanity into just 4 more categories than the Zodiac?

I'm in the personality type that doesn't take personality profiles.

SNOWBALL138 10-29-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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Doesn't M-B put all of humanity into just 4 more categories than the Zodiac?

I'm in the personality type that doesn't take personality profiles.




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nh

Alex/Mugaaz 10-29-2005 04:00 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
I tested INTJ but I don't think it has much of a factor.

MikeBandy 10-29-2005 08:07 AM

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There was a big thread about this quite some time ago.

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Here's the URL:

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...age=0&vc=1

ellipse_87 10-29-2005 11:40 PM

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good poker players think quickly, use logic, have good focus, and good emotional control.

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I'm doomed. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

ellipse_87 10-29-2005 11:43 PM

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I believe the findings were that a high number of members of this forum (at that time) were iNTj.

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I take it back! I'm going to be rich!! Rich, I tell you!!

Dan Mezick 10-30-2005 12:21 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
INTP and INTJ were predominant here at 2+2

ClaytonN 10-30-2005 12:34 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
Damn I'm ISTJ :O

10-30-2005 12:35 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
FWIW

INTP

and it matches other similar test I've taken. And feel pretty confortable that it describes me.

I'm at best a mediocre poker player. I win just enough to make me think I should playing, but not enough to pay the rent. :-(

Sephus 10-30-2005 02:41 AM

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I am INTj/p ... my perceptive judgemental score is almost dead even

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exactly the same.

Piper Tim 10-30-2005 08:33 AM

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I would bet that a number of internet players are INTP. It seems to fit the mold.

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Maybe, but INTP is the least common of the personality types.

DCWildcat 10-30-2005 02:05 PM

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Well put, Sir, it has no validity and no reliability. You should see the way teachers embrace it. It's quite depressing.

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benkahuna 10-30-2005 08:55 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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There was a big thread about this quite some time ago. You can probably find it in the archives. I believe the findings were that a high number of members of this forum (at that time) were iNTj. Wether or not they are good poker players is a whole different story.
For the record, I'm an iNTj and fit the description 100%.

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INTJ is by far the most common type. Rather than making it the case that INTJ is good for poker, the fact INTJ is the most common overall could also suggest that poker players, good or otherwise, come from a representative cross section of the populace.

10-31-2005 12:38 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
According to the following research from Google Answer, INTJ is not only not the most common MBPI type, it's the second rarest. Where did you get the idea that INTJ was the most common type?

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I found the percentages at "The Center for Applications of
Psychological Type." (CAPT)

ISTJ: 12-16%
ISFJ: 10-13%
INFJ: 2-3%
INTJ: 3-4%
ISTP: 5-7%
ISFP: 5-7%
INFP: 4-5%
INTP: 5-6%
ESTP: 5-7%
ESFP: 6-9%
ENFP: 6-8%
ENTP: 4-7%
ESTJ: 10-12%
ESFJ: 10-12%
ENFJ: 3-5%
ENTJ: 3-5%

The website also breaks these numbers down for Male and Female
Americans.
http://www.capt.org/The_MBTI_Instrum...requencies.cfm

CAPT was co-founded by Isabel Briggs Myers, the author of the
Myers-Briggs Type Indicator®, and Mary H. McCaulley, Ph.D
( http://www.capt.org/About_CAPT/Home.cfm )

Presumably, these statistics are from the paper of the same name,
cited elsewhere ( http://www.capt.org/Using_Type/Education.cfm ) as
"Estimated Frequencies of the Types in the United States Population"
by Charles R. Martin, 1996
Developed by Mary H. McCaulley
Published by Center for Applications of Psychological Type, Inc.
2815 N.W. 13th Street, Suite 401
Gainesville, Florida 32609.
Toll Free 800.777.2278
Copyright 1998

(Charles R. Martin, Ph.D. is the Vice President of Research and
Development at CAPT.)


Additional Links:

An explanation of the different types can be found here.
http://www.capt.org/Using_Type/Education.cfm


Search Strategy:

Myers-Briggs percentage "United States"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=Myers%2DBriggs+per centage+"United+States"

"Charles R. Martin" CAPT
http://www.google.com/search?num=20&...R.+Martin"+CAPT

"Estimated Frequencies of the Types in the United States Population"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&amp;q="Estimated+Frequen cies+of+the+Types+in+the+United+States+Population" <br />
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lorinda 10-31-2005 05:24 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
From the SNG forum.

What personality type did the test assign you?
Users may choose only one (130 total votes)
ENFP
8 06%

INFP
2 2%

ENFJ
5 4%

INFJ
6 5%

ESTJ
4 03%

ISTJ
13 10%

ESFJ
0 0%

ISFJ
2 2%

ENTP
8 06%

INTP
19 15%

ENTJ
18 14%

INTJ
34 26%

ESTP
3 02%

ISTP
4 03%

ESFP
1 1%

ISFP
3 02%

Lori

The Yugoslavian 11-06-2005 05:56 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
Guh...thanks for reminding me....How the [censored]! am I an ENFJ?!/!

Myers/Briggs is rigged...

Yugoslav

Kellermann 11-06-2005 09:04 AM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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Is there one Myers-Briggs category that best fits a poker player?

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Of the eight letters (IE NS FT PJ) in that psychology test there is one that stands out.

There is a strong correlation between being a skilled poker player and being introverted. I would say that out of ten top poker players at least 9 are introverted.

yeau2 11-06-2005 12:46 PM

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nh

but see Kellermann's post

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There is a strong correlation between being a skilled poker player and being introverted. I would say that out of ten top poker players at least 9 are introverted.

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homebrewer 11-06-2005 01:24 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
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The Myers-Briggs is a quick and dirty test that does not measure much of anything. It was created in Isabel Myers' head and normed on no one. It's junk gutter social science.

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The above bears repeating.

The MBTI is not considered a valid psychological instrument by mainstream psychologists. Too many problems with the instrument from a theoretical (Jungian/Freudian perspective) and psychometric standpoint (measure is too crude to be meaningful).

It is likely to be productive to consider your behavioral and cognitive reactions to poker situations. The goal being that you can better understand how your reactions influence your current and future decisions during a session. However, it is probably not productive to use the MBTI for this purpose.

uncleshady 12-30-2005 09:21 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
INTJ and INFJ are the two smallest percentages on the nationwide scale up there, yet the two highest percentages listed for the 2+2 survey. Must mean something?

raze 12-31-2005 09:51 PM

Re: Myers-Briggs type for a successful poker player?
 
I took the test but I'm not seeing where the correlations are with poker.. I'm interested now, is there another thread about this? I am 'ENFP' apparently


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