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Have aliens visited earth?
Was curious what OOT thought (a group of mostly well educated people)
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id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely.
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I think its pretty foolish to think we are the only life forms in the entire universe
I am unsure if any said life form has visited earth tho. I know there are tons of limitations that many argue make it impossible, but I also know we dont know all there is to know, so I definately think it could be possible. Im undecided tho, It wouldnt suprise me if it had happened, but I think pretty much all "crop circles" and "ufo sightings" and "governement coverups" are bogus. I think if aliens did come to earth, theyd have the technology to make it so that we never saw them. |
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IMO, it would have been better if the first question specified "intelligent" life. It seems really, really unlikely that no form of life whatsoever has ever developed on another planet.
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Considering the alien's obsession with SIIHP, I think its possible to assert that they are browsing OOT as we speak.
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IMO, it would have been better if the first question specified "intelligent" life. It seems really, really unlikely that no form of life whatsoever has ever developed on another planet. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, there is intelligent life on earth? Whoa. |
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some people (intelligent ones!) think all life on Earth was created by simple cell's organisms that arrived on Earth via meteors or other galactic explosions.
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I think its pretty foolish to think we are the only life forms in the entire universe I am unsure if any said life form has visited earth tho. I know there are tons of limitations that many argue make it impossible, but I also know we dont know all there is to know, so I definately think it could be possible. Im undecided tho, It wouldnt suprise me if it had happened, but I think pretty much all "crop circles" and "ufo sightings" and "governement coverups" are bogus. I think if aliens did come to earth, theyd have the technology to make it so that we never saw them. [/ QUOTE ] it is certainly possible to travel insane distances in space. However to do said traveling would require much much more advanced technology and many resources. If aliens did visit earth, why wouldnt they want to greet us? also if they were here, i wouldnt think the gov't would have the power to stop them or hide them. |
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It doesn't seem almost equally unlikely that no form of intelligent life has ever formed on another planet?
Let's define "intelligence" as chimp-smart, just for laughs. |
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id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. |
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[ QUOTE ] id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. [/ QUOTE ] even if its uncommon tho, the incredibly vast number of other stars/planets in the universe means its pretty likely its happened elsewhere. |
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It doesn't seem almost equally unlikely that no form of intelligent life has ever formed on another planet? Let's define "intelligence" as chimp-smart, just for laughs. [/ QUOTE ] My thinking was that simple organisms could live in a much more hostile environment/atmosphere than ours. It's like how people say if we have a nuclear holocaust, mammals would die but cockroaches would survive. |
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Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. [/ QUOTE ] while this may be true, the universe is extremely large and we really dont know that much about it relativley speaking. |
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Considering the alien's obsession with SIIHP, I think its possible to assert that they are browsing OOT as we speak. [/ QUOTE ] BIMO |
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It's almost a statistical certainty that some sort of intelligent life exists somewhere else in the universe. That's a lot of planets out there, and that's just in our galaxy.
I don't care what those fools down in Roswell say. They got hoodwinked by the federales. You'd think we would have been contacted by an alien species before we were visited by one. They speak english, right? ScottieK |
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Given how much is out there we don't know, it's really hard to say what "life" even is.
It does seem kinda vain to think that we're the only populated planet in the universe, but it seems highly unlikely that we'll ever see any evidence to the contrary. |
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I think if aliens did come to earth, theyd have the technology to make it so that we never saw them. [/ QUOTE ] I've heard people make this argument before, and I've always wondered what it would matter to them if we saw them? It's not like we'd be any sort of threat to them. |
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[ QUOTE ] id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. [/ QUOTE ] As the previous poster said, the number are just too big not for it to have happened elsewhere. 100 billion (10^11) stars in the Milky Way alone, probably 100 biliion galaxys. There are four worlds where life may originiate in our system alone (Earth, Mars, Europa, Titan). Say 25% of all systems have planets, so you've got 100 billion planets in the Milky Way where it has been/will be possible, 10^22 in the universe. One could be vast orders of magitude off on probablity estimates and still have almost uncountable intelligent civilizations in the universe, let alone planets where there is mere life. |
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star trek seems to find no shortage of class m planets. agree to disagree!
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It does seem kinda vain to think that we're the only populated planet in the universe, but it seems highly unlikely that we'll ever see any evidence to the contrary. [/ QUOTE ] Just how confident do you feel about this statement? I think you underestimate just how awesomely unpredictable the effects of advances in science and technology tend to be. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. [/ QUOTE ] even if its uncommon tho, the incredibly vast number of other stars/planets in the universe means its pretty likely its happened elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't make sense. If it's uncommon it's not likely to have happened. Moreover the probability of a planet supporting life can be so small that even given the vast number of planets in the universe the expected number of planets supporting life can still be small. Say for example there the probability that planet supports life is 10^-15 and there are 10^9 planets in the universe. It doesn't matter how close these numbers are to the actual numbers the point is this: the expected number of planets supporting life is 10^-15 * 10^9 = 10^-6 = 1/1000000. |
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Moreover the probability of a planet supporting life can be so small [/ QUOTE ] Human life, or like, alien life? |
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I don't understand why so many people seem to believe that just because a planet doesn't have A)water and B)exactly the same temperature as earth they automatically come to the conclusion that life there is impossible, of any kind. Who's to say "aliens" can't live in extremely hot or cold(both very relative words to use aswell) enviroment, or be drinking something other than water? Or even need to drink at all? Maybe some of them are living purely off of gas or whatever, how the heck could we know?
As to the other question, I really believe we are "being watched/visited" if that's how you wish to describe it, and "they" just don't feel like we're ready to start communicating with them on a "public" level. And I really don't blame them, our society is very poorly developed in all kinds of ways, I mean, we're still killing eachother all over the world all year around, who's to say we wouldn't (sooner or later) attempt to kill "aliens" if they entered our world? |
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[ QUOTE ] id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. [/ QUOTE ] There is another book called Probability 1 that makes the exact opposite argument. Both arguments are flawed by probabilistic calculations that ultimately contain a complete guess somewhere in their formulas. |
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This article certainly made me wonder, especially when considering a person "in the know", the former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister, seems to believe.
(excerpt)"OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.” By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth. On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head." Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something." Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop." Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide." Hellyer’s speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today."(end excerpt) The article goes on to talk about the implications of weaponizing space, and a possible space-weapon-ban treaty, and then concludes: (excerpt)"...In early November 2005, the Canadian Senate wrote ICIS, indicating the Senate Committee could not hold hearings on ETs in 2005, because of their already crowded schedule. “That does not deter us,” one spokesperson for the Non-governmental organizations said, “We are going ahead with our request to Prime Minister Paul Martin and the official opposition leaders in the House of Commons now, and we will re-apply with the Senate of Canada in early 2006. “Time is on the side of open disclosure that there are ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth,” The spokesperson stated. “Our Canadian government needs to openly address these important issues of the possible deployment of weapons in outer war plans against ethical ET societies.”(end excerpt) I for one don't see how we could win a war with extraterrestrials If ETs have the technology to travel here over light-years of space-time, we very likely would have no chance of defeating them and their highly advanced technologies if it should ever come to intergalactic war. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/11/inktomi314382.php |
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[ QUOTE ] I think if aliens did come to earth, theyd have the technology to make it so that we never saw them. [/ QUOTE ] I've heard people make this argument before, and I've always wondered what it would matter to them if we saw them? It's not like we'd be any sort of threat to them. [/ QUOTE ] probably because if we did see them, it would be the most significant event in human history. If there was undeniable proof that intelligent life was visiting this planet, it would cuase an uproar like nothing thats ever happened before. If there is someone "watching" us it would make sense that they wouldnt want to be seen, because it would be traumatic and alter our course of history. I guess they might not care about that, but it just seems semi logical they would |
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Many times, brother, many times.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] id say its probable for other intelligent life to exist somewhere. getting here is highly unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the conditions for life to exist are extremely rare. Life as we know it is extremely fragile and it appears, based on probabilistic arguments, that the conditions for life to exist are not that common in the universe. Microbes quite likely exist in abundance but complex life not. This argument was first set forth in the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward, Donald Brownlee. [/ QUOTE ] even if its uncommon tho, the incredibly vast number of other stars/planets in the universe means its pretty likely its happened elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't make sense. If it's uncommon it's not likely to have happened. Moreover the probability of a planet supporting life can be so small that even given the vast number of planets in the universe the expected number of planets supporting life can still be small. Say for example there the probability that planet supports life is 10^-15 and there are 10^9 planets in the universe. It doesn't matter how close these numbers are to the actual numbers the point is this: the expected number of planets supporting life is 10^-15 * 10^9 = 10^-6 = 1/1000000. [/ QUOTE ] I met an alien once, his name was Pablo. Therefore you must be wrong. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] |
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And I take serious contention with your characterization of OOT as "mostly well educated."
Nineteen year old kids failing out of college while meeting moderate success at p*ker hardly counts as "well-educated." |
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[ QUOTE ] It does seem kinda vain to think that we're the only populated planet in the universe, but it seems highly unlikely that we'll ever see any evidence to the contrary. [/ QUOTE ] Just how confident do you feel about this statement? I think you underestimate just how awesomely unpredictable the effects of advances in science and technology tend to be. [/ QUOTE ] Our own advances in science would seem to indicate it's very unlikely aliens have ever visited Earth. For this to have happened, basic life must have evolved on another planet. Then it must have survived, and evolved into "intelligent" life. That life must then go through accumulating the massive amount of knowledge and technology necessary for light-speed space travel. It would then need to actually TRAVEL here, which would take a varying degrees of time depending on galaxy of origin -- but even within the Milky Way, it'd be a long trip. That's assuming they had a reason to come to Earth first, which they wouldn't as they'd have no way of knowing life existed here. It seems to me that the barrier of traveling at light-speed alone almost ensures we have not been visited. |
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Moreover the probability of a planet supporting life can be so small that even given the vast number of planets in the universe the expected number of planets supporting life can still be small. Say for example there the probability that planet supports life is 10^-15 and there are 10^9 planets in the universe. It doesn't matter how close these numbers are to the actual numbers the point is this: the expected number of planets supporting life is 10^-15 * 10^9 = 10^-6 = 1/1000000. [/ QUOTE ] actually I don't think this is right. it's 1 - [probability of life not existing on all 10^9 planets] which is 1 - (99999999999999/100000000000000)^9 and my calculator can't seem to handle that business. I think it's smaller than your estimate though. |
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edit to my last post: it's actually
1- (99999999999999/100000000000000)^(10^9) |
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And I take serious contention with your characterization of OOT as "mostly well educated." Nineteen year old kids failing out of college while meeting moderate success at p*ker hardly counts as "well-educated." [/ QUOTE ] there are tons of smart mother [censored] around here, many with degrees in physics and stuff like that. The ones who arent, are pursuing a degree.....I think that qualifies as mostly well educated when compared to the normal trailor park american. Which is what inspired this poll, I was watching a show and it said half of all americans believe in UFOs, I wondered how the smart people felt about it, not jeb and skeeter over in arkansas |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It does seem kinda vain to think that we're the only populated planet in the universe, but it seems highly unlikely that we'll ever see any evidence to the contrary. [/ QUOTE ] Just how confident do you feel about this statement? I think you underestimate just how awesomely unpredictable the effects of advances in science and technology tend to be. [/ QUOTE ] Our own advances in science would seem to indicate it's very unlikely aliens have ever visited Earth. For this to have happened, basic life must have evolved on another planet. Then it must have survived, and evolved into "intelligent" life. That life must then go through accumulating the massive amount of knowledge and technology necessary for light-speed space travel. It would then need to actually TRAVEL here, which would take a varying degrees of time depending on galaxy of origin -- but even within the Milky Way, it'd be a long trip. That's assuming they had a reason to come to Earth first, which they wouldn't as they'd have no way of knowing life existed here. It seems to me that the barrier of traveling at light-speed alone almost ensures we have not been visited. [/ QUOTE ] That seems like an odd statement to me. There was very little in the way of changes from the year 0 to, oh about 1900. Other than a few things like gunpowder, and such. And then about 60 years after we stop plowing fields with horses, we are on the moon. I contend something had to have happened, I have no idea what it is though. I think that we are geometrically improving scientifcally, rather than the linear progression we were on until the early 20 century. But, this is just my random thought while stoned. |
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That seems like an odd statement to me. There was very little in the way of changes from the year 0 to, oh about 1900. Other than a few things like gunpowder, and such. And then about 60 years after we stop plowing fields with horses, we are on the moon. I contend something had to have happened, I have no idea what it is though. I think that we are geometrically improving scientifcally, rather than the linear progression we were on until the early 20 century. But, this is just my random thought while stoned. [/ QUOTE ] Some claim this is proof that "aliens" infact have been/are here, indicating that they helped us progress scientifically a hundred-or-so years ago so that we could progress faster for whatever reason. Considering planets could very well be many millions(billions? I'm not sure) of years old I don't see how people can believe that other planets/lifeforms haven't had time to develop into highly evolved beings a very long time ago... And to believe that we are at the top of this kind of evolution is being very naive IMO, and just another sign of that we have a long way to go before we can even imagine it. |
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That seems like an odd statement to me. There was very little in the way of changes from the year 0 to, oh about 1900. Other than a few things like gunpowder, and such. And then about 60 years after we stop plowing fields with horses, we are on the moon. I contend something had to have happened, I have no idea what it is though. I think that we are geometrically improving scientifcally, rather than the linear progression we were on until the early 20 century. But, this is just my random thought while stoned. [/ QUOTE ] The reason for the discrepancy for the increase in thechnology in the time periods x-1900 and 1900-2005 is because of a few significant discoveries in technology. For example, the knowledge of how to produce a computer as powerful as the one you're on right now was around in the 1950's, but until the further development of transistors and microtransistors they were not able to be produced. Once transistors became smaller and smaller, it became (relitively) simple to make more powerful computers. |
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my views are similar to others here;
probabilistically it seems like aliens should exist somewhere else in the univerese. As to whether or not they have visitted earth or not, I am going to assume that they haven't until I'm presented with compelling evidence (not stonehenge) |
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this follows along with Da vinci's inventions as well as many of the ideas of the ancient Greek Scholars and others. They had the write idea on how to do things (like fly) but did not have the necessary materials to make it happen.
I actually (to a degree) subscribe to the idea that there may have been a degree of influence placed on human development by an outside source (like aliens). I see the two main examples being the shift between Neanderthals and [censored] Sapians as well as the almost overnight (historically speaking) growth of advanced civilizations from purely nomadic peoples. Think the things that happened in the fertile crescent or on the Ganges, etc. I've read a few things on this years ago, the idea can be well supported if you assume descriptions of Gods and Crazy Miraculous things are actually attempts to explain modern things such as airplanes based on an absolute lack of experience in the technology. Think of the effect a team of missionaries has on a tribe living in the heart of the amazon. they arrive by helicopter (big flying bird) dressed in synthetics instead of furs and carrying medicine (miraculous healing). Looking at architecture and artwork can also help to affirm this idea. |
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