Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

Maybe this has been done, but I feel it's odd that I've never seen it; if already exists, please point me to it:
Has anyone EVER supplied statistical evidence suggesting that a major ("respectable") site's cards are rigged? I have close to 10K hands in poker tracker (mostly from Party, but a lot from Paradise and Stars), and my numbers add up just fine. I flop sets as often as I expect to flop sets. I flop flush/straight draws as often as I expect to flop flush/straight draws. Those draws complete as often as I expect those draws to complete.
Given that people are so sure that the deck "seems" rigged, suggested by a person's own judgement, I would think the statistical evidence considered in some kind of long term (even a few thousand hands) would be pretty overwhelming.

My thoughts on other's thoughs of rigged decks online:
Obviously it is absolutely impossible for a human being to watch a hundred hands of poker and notice statistical anomalies without tracking the numbers with a computer or pen and paper. Additionally, given the accelerated pace of internet poker, you seem more odd things happen. You see more normal things too, but you don't remember them, because, well, they're normal. "At every table in every cardroom in the world, the impossible happens 5 times a night". Online, that would be at least 10 or 15 times per night. Add in the lack of sensory stimulation that people are used to with b&m cardrooms, and you mind is looking for anything to keep it occupied. When you're not staring at a cocktail waitress in a skimpy outfit, you might pay more attention and thought to the last 4 bad beats you saw good players take.

Anyhow, given the rampant accusations of rigging, this seems like a pretty easy thing to prove. So, for anyone who is convinced that a site's deck is rigged, please provide some statistical evidence (using a sample set of at least 10K hands) demonstrating that the cards you were dealt were not within the realm of reasonable probability. Don't explain one situation, one hand, one session, or one month. Don't explain why they sites would do it. Just give some numbers. It amazes me that I've never seen them.
And, again, if this already exists, please let me know where this is.

Thanks,
Mooney

Re: Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

There has never been any thorough statistical study that shows a rigged game for any of the big 4 card rooms.

However, there's been pretty much weekly accusations by people who, "thought", "felt", "sensed" an anomaly. Common theme also appears to be that they're new players or B&M transplants and just lost big.

Re: Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

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Common theme also appears to be that they're new players or B&M transplants and just lost big.


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It's quite strange, but I usually start having "this thing is rigged" thoughts when I'm running good. It just looks sometimes like the flop has been hand-picked for me by some kind guy from India.
Not that I believe in those accusations.

Re: Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

I think the reason you haven't and wont see such proof is the people making the claims aren't really in the stats or thinking about poker(or anything else that makes sense) crowd.

Having said all that I'm 99.3% sure some woman in India has just issued an order to Big foot to steal my next party check from my mailbox. Prove that wrong with pokertracker!

Just to play Devils Advocate
 

Why have none of the major sites released verifable fiqures of how often say there is a 2 flush on the flop or an Ace, or how often there is 4 to a str8 by the river.

Re: Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

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Common theme also appears to be that they're new players or B&M transplants and just lost big.


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It's quite strange, but I usually start having "this thing is rigged" thoughts when I'm running good. It just looks sometimes like the flop has been hand-picked for me by some kind guy from India.
Not that I believe in those accusations.

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I think the "this site is rigged" posts are from new players to online poker who started off with a cold streak or are just bad.

Conversely, from the players who are new to online poker and start off hot or lucky you'll see the "Should I turn Pro?" posts.

Re: Just to play Devils Advocate
 

Well, in a way, they have.
Paradise's randomization is certified by PricewaterhouseCoopers.
Party's is certified by BMM International.
Stars is certified by both BMM International and Cigital.

Paradise even posts copies of the PWC reports.

Re: Just to play Devils Advocate
 

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Why have none of the major sites released verifable fiqures of how often say there is a 2 flush on the flop or an Ace, or how often there is 4 to a str8 by the river.

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ive never seen these figures release by b&m casinos either. alot of those will be using auto shufflers soon. i am sure alot of new(tilting and losing players) will state that they cant win because the shuffler is rigged. this argument is silly. you have a bunch of people here who win month in and month out and explain to others how to do it while 3 or 4 people come on every week and tell us we cant be winning because its rigged. think about it.

Re: Question for the \"This @#% is RIGGED!\" crowd
 

Yeah, that's what I figured.
I've had bad runs that I couldn't believe. I've have good runs that I couldn't believe. I had god-knows how many moderate runs that were entirely believable. But, given a few measely tens or hundreds of thousands of hands, it amounts to a very small gnat on the big fat ass of statistical probability.

Re: Just to play Devils Advocate
 

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Paradise even posts copies of the PWC reports.

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I didn't realise this, can you view them thru the website.