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dumb ox 12-21-2005 10:20 PM

dubious play
 
No reads.


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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

12-21-2005 10:44 PM

Re: dubious play
 
I don't mind it that much because Button / MP may go on to cap this street. If you were closing the action I think it would suck a lot considering the implied odds we get when we hit the Jack. MP is playing somewhat like TJ however, so if we hit one of those 3 outs, we get paid.

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imported_leader 12-22-2005 01:45 AM

Re: dubious play
 
I don't like every street. CO posting is [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] IMO but whatever. I'd call the flop. I'm not folding the turn either you're J outs are to the nuts and only out of you're opponents could realistically have JT.

Buckmulligan 12-22-2005 03:34 AM

Re: dubious play
 
There's no point raising this flop. Having the second villain pad this works favorably for our straight outs, and we probably don't have the best hand or any fold equity. Just peel.

I think the turn would be alittle more intersting in a slightly smaller pot.

12-22-2005 03:41 AM

Re: dubious play
 
if you're going to post in the CO, you have to be willing to 3-bet hands like this.

Buckmulligan 12-22-2005 03:42 AM

Re: dubious play
 
When people play aggressively preflop from CO (i.e. open raising nearly any hand), posting from there is not that bad.

Entity 12-22-2005 03:46 AM

Re: dubious play
 
I don't like the post. I'd be inclined to 3-bet preflop. Folding the turn is pretty bad.

12-22-2005 03:46 AM

Re: dubious play
 
i agree that it's better than playing passively after posting, but i still wouldn't do it because any decent player will suspect you're raising light.

dumb ox 12-22-2005 02:41 PM

Re: dubious play
 
The general consensus is the fold was a bad move. Maybe someone can help me figure out why. I have 3 clean outs, the jack of diamonds, and 4 6s. So say about 6 outs total, which is generous. That's 6.7:1 against hitting an out on the river. The pot's giving around 5.5:1. Does implied odds tip the decision that far?

12-22-2005 02:54 PM

Re: dubious play
 
[ QUOTE ]
The general consensus is the fold was a bad move. Maybe someone can help me figure out why. I have 3 clean outs, the jack of diamonds, and 4 6s. So say about 6 outs total, which is generous. That's 6.7:1 against hitting an out on the river. The pot's giving around 5.5:1. Does implied odds tip the decision that far?

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with folding, may get capped so then its only 2.75:1. The implied odds can make up for it, because when you hit that straight you are making the top straight and will get lots of bets from straights you beat.


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