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11-24-2005 12:52 PM

Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
Read on opponent was semi-lag. His chat had contained a lot of instructional advice on others play when he lost pots. When i bet the flop all the way up to the push i "knew" all my outs were goot.

*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #3140715715: Tournament #15369872, Hold'em No Limit - Level III
(25/50) - 2005/11/23 - 22:24:11 (ET)
Table '15369872 96' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Ghengiscaan (1965 in chips)
Seat 2: Froosh (3965 in chips)
Seat 3: frankybonez (1570 in chips)
Seat 4: RagMcAtee (3640 in chips)
Seat 5: foo00 (1805 in chips)
Seat 6: Emon96 (6725 in chips)
Seat 7: blackraid (1370 in chips)
Seat 8: KravManiac (1115 in chips)
Seat 9: J"Dook"S (3760 in chips)
J"Dook"S: posts small blind 25
Ghengiscaan: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emon96 [Ts Js]
Froosh: folds
frankybonez: folds
RagMcAtee: calls 50
foo00: folds
Emon96: raises 150 to 200
blackraid: calls 200
KravManiac: folds
J"Dook"S: calls 175
Ghengiscaan: folds
RagMcAtee: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [7s 2h 2d]
J"Dook"S: checks
RagMcAtee: checks
Emon96: bets 500
blackraid: folds
J"Dook"S: calls 500
RagMcAtee: folds
*** TURN *** [7s 2h 2d] [9d]
J"Dook"S: checks
Emon96: bets 500
J"Dook"S: raises 900 to 1400
Emon96: raises 4625 to 6025 and is all-in
J"Dook"S: calls 1660 and is all-in

Did i play my big stack well or am i still a donk?
I dont mind flaming...it will only make me better when i finally do meet one of you at the pokerstars table.

kuro 11-24-2005 01:04 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
Villain is pot committed after check-raising you on the turn. You've got very little folding equity on the turn when you push and with two overs and a gutshot straight you're certainly behind. I would have just checked the turn to start with.

mlagoo 11-24-2005 02:10 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
preflop and flop are good. escalate your bet on the turn... betting the turn the same as the flop smacks of weakness (it's a pretty big underbet in relation to the pot). once he raises the turn, i know you think it's "your pot," but just let it go.

betgo 11-24-2005 02:49 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
Donkey push.

11-24-2005 10:22 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
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Donkey push.

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from you this means something....thanks

betgo 11-24-2005 11:21 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
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Donkey push.

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from you this means something....thanks

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I just answered your question succinctly.

SoBeDude 11-24-2005 11:36 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
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Villain is pot committed after check-raising you on the turn. You've got very little folding equity on the turn when you push and with two overs and a gutshot straight you're certainly behind. I would have just checked the turn to start with.

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I agree with this. check call a reasonable turn bet with those outs, or bet out for most/all of his stack on the turn (if you think he'll fold). the 500 is a really weak lead bet here IMO, especially since you don't have a hand at all yet, so ideally you'd like to take the pot down now.

-Scott

elmitchbo 11-25-2005 12:06 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
i think he meant that in good way.

11-25-2005 07:11 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
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i think he meant that in good way.

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I did mean that in a good way. Succinct or not betgo, your advice is rarely wrong. I tend not to argue with people on the pokerstars TLB top 100. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

betgo 11-25-2005 08:36 PM

Re: Goot play with big stack or donkey push??
 
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i think he meant that in good way.

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I did mean that in a good way. Succinct or not betgo, your advice is rarely wrong. I tend not to argue with people on the pokerstars TLB top 100. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thanks, I thought you meant I should know as a donkey or something.

I thought you took it the wrong way, and I am used to being accused of presenting retarded ideas and making the worst post ever.


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