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therockofgibraltar 09-29-2005 01:32 PM

taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
I play in 0,5/1 and win all the time, then I take shot in 1/2 and always lose 50-100BB. Then back to 0,5/1 and win. Then another shot in 1/2 and the same continues, I lose. And fast.

This is the latest 1/2 session. -25BB in minutes. All the hands I played are here (not include some check-fold play from blinds). Do you find anything REALLY bad?

No special reads. Everyone seems loose and passive, not overly aggressive

BTW, what to do with A2-A9o in MP or CO after caller(s)? I always fold.

HAND1:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, Button calls.

HAND2:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.
too loose?

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

HAND3:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

HAND4:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

HAND5:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

HAND6:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.
too weak?

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

HAND7:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

HAND8:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, SB calls.

HAND9:
Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">hero fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.
should I call?

JohnnyHumongous 09-29-2005 01:37 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
call in hand 8, you have mucho outs

iluzion 09-29-2005 01:40 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
it all actually looks pretty standard, i dont bet the flop (or turn, UI) on hand 5.

marsvolta619 09-29-2005 01:45 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
I think the common theme you're gonna see here is your aggression level. I've never played the .5/1 so I'm not sure how it plays, but a lot of this is not being able to adjust to what this other game is bringing, and that is aggression.

Hand 1: fine

Hand 2: You need to raise this flop. Tie the CO in to the hand and take control. You have the nut flush draw, an inside nut straight draw, and maybe just maybe your ace is good.

Hand 3: Check the turn. You're not going to drive BB out, and king high isn't going to win this. Get a free look at the river.

Hand 4: perfect

Hand 5: I would probably raise this preflop, but just complete if it's unsuited. On the flop, nice checkraise but why did you chicken out on the river?

Hand 6: I would probably peel the turn here as people will definitely raise with only a flush draw. Without reads I dunno.

Hand 7: good

Hand 8: good

Hand 9: call

marsvolta619 09-29-2005 01:47 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
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call in hand 8, you have mucho outs

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You mean his 5 outs? Explain please

RunDownHouse 09-29-2005 01:53 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
First, I think your handle/avatar combo is hilarious.

Second, how big is your roll at .5/1 and how much do you take to 1/2? When you take a shot, how many tables do you play?

colgin 09-29-2005 01:55 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
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BTW, what to do with A2-A9o in MP or CO after caller(s)? I always fold.

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Me too.

JohnnyHumongous 09-29-2005 02:17 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
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call in hand 8, you have mucho outs

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You mean his 5 outs? Explain please

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guttyguttyguttyguttyguttyguttyguttygutty

brazilio 09-29-2005 02:21 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
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call in hand 8, you have mucho outs

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You mean his 5 outs? Explain please

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guttyguttyguttyguttyguttyguttyguttygutty

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4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot 4BB pot

perhaps as many as 6 outs, but that's being generous.

09-29-2005 02:27 PM

Re: taking shots, always failing (low limit and low content)
 
Hand 1: The pot is small, your draw is very weak. Good fold.

Hand 2: Cold Calling should only be done in a few circumstances. If you are playing A9s here, you should 3bet. I like raising the flop - you have a gutshot, the nutflush draw, and might even win by spiking an ace. You might also get to take a free card on the turn by doing this.

Hand 3: Looks good. Generally the line goes bet the flop, turn, and then give up the river if you missed. With observant opponents though, an intersting thing comes out of this. When you check the river and are acting first, they generally clue in that you missed. So when you infact did hit, you get opportunities to sexy the river. An added bonus to this is that when you have missed, you can sometimes "fire the last barrel" and take the pot.

Hand 4: Looks good. It seems like the bb was getting frisky with a 7.

Hand 5: I dont think you want to raise with that many other callers. If your flush draw doesnt come, you will likely be drawing to 3 outs. I think you can probably bet/call this river, since you are playing with donks, they might just have middle pair thinking that you are bluffing.

Hand 6: Call the flop I think. If you fold a decent % of the time when they check raise you with flush draws, they make huge profits.

Hand 7: If he is capable of semi bluffing, I would definitely 3bet the flop against him to punish him for it. But if he is random and bad, your line is fine.

Hand 8: You might win by hitting 3-of-a-kind, 2 pair (less likely), or a gutshot. You should call since there arent that many people in the pot. If this were from a full game, however, it would be a clear fold.

Hand9: I like calling here, but this one is fairly read dependant.


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BTW, what to do with A2-A9o in MP or CO after caller(s)? I always fold.

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Me too.

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Folding is correct. Most of the value of these hands in shorthanded comes from making steals. With limpers, a steal is very unlikely, so you will be nearly always drawing to 3 outs.


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