Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead
 

Don't know my opponent. What is your standard/default line here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed)

CO ($201)
Button ($1519.10)
SB ($410)
BB ($1232)
UTG ($896.50)
UTG+1 ($1222.65)
MP1 ($970)
MP2 ($390)
Hero ($1020)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>

Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead
 

depends on villain. either fold or call and take it away on turn.

if villain is average, this type of lead is often 77 or 88. with these guys just call and take it on turn.

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if villain is average, this type of lead is often 77 or 88. with these guys just call and take it on turn.

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That's what my initial thought was, a weak hand probing to see if I was missed overcards. When I have the overpair, I usually raise here, so that's what I did. Is this bad? If I have AA/KK, raising probably isn't bad, but calling should be better, right?

Anyway, I raised and he called on the turn:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed)

CO ($201)
Button ($1519.10)
SB ($410)
BB ($1232)
UTG ($896.50)
UTG+1 ($1222.65)
MP1 ($970)
MP2 ($390)
Hero ($1020)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, BB calls $100.

Turn: ($385) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks,

Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead
 

For some reason, people are less likely to read you for an overpair on a XXY flop than an XYZ flop so... he's clearly stated that he's staying with you on the flop. Personally, I would much rather call then take it away since that's what you should do on XXY flop with an overpair (way ahead or way behind) so.. your raise looks more suspicious to me than a call. A call here represents more strength than a raise IMO.

Overbet? my feeling is he'll call down if you halfpot or even pot if hes your typical non-thinking fish. this actually may be an optimal time to bet 1.5 the pot.

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Raising an overpair on this flop is non-standard

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The replies are confusing me. On one hand, you guys are saying that my hand looks like a steal because overpairs don't raise here, so I'm likely to get called.. then you say I shouldn't raise here with an overpair? Why not if it will look like a missed hand and get a call?

Also, why do I want to call here with an overpair if you're also saying I can call to "take it away on the turn" by representing strength? Shouldn't I play AQ/ and AA/KK the same way each time?

Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead
 

here's a crazy idea: muck flop.

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either fold or call and take it away on turn.


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I agree with the above quote, read dependant (I know you said you didn't know him though). It would help to know how often this lead means he's going to stay with you on the turn (would he lead w/ JJ here, and if so, would he fold to a turn raise?), or if it means 77, 88 (assuming they will go away). Your image might also help.

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Shouldn't I play AQ/ and AA/KK the same way each time?

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nope

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here's a crazy idea: muck flop.

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you so crazy!

Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead
 

Raise, call, or fold the flop. It doesn't really matter. You definitely shouldn't do the same thing every time.

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Raise, call, or fold the flop. It doesn't really matter. You definitely shouldn't do the same thing every time.

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I didn't mean do the same thing every time. I meant shouldn't I play AQ and KK/AA more than one way here, and do them with both, to mix it up?

AZK, your standard line is to just fold flop? Sounds good, probably should've, but I felt he was fairly weak.

Anyway, I bet $220 on turn and he check-minraised me. Ugh. What a mess I got myself into.

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I wouldn't say it's my standard, but I tend to try and go after every pot anyway, so cutting back on hands like this one probably would add a lot to my bottom line.

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Before i read the hand, i thought to myself "folding is probably best here" After reading the hand, i agree with myself

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Before i read the hand, i thought to myself "folding is probably best here" After reading the hand, i agree with myself

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Is there any insight you can give that'd help me? Or was it just a random hunch? Thanks.

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Before i read the hand, i thought to myself "folding is probably best here" After reading the hand, i agree with myself

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Is there any insight you can give that'd help me? Or was it just a random hunch? Thanks.

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Leading out is probly the easiest way to stack an overpair. He didn't stack you but he got a healthy chunk.

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Before i read the hand, i thought to myself "folding is probably best here" After reading the hand, i agree with myself

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Is there any insight you can give that'd help me? Or was it just a random hunch? Thanks.

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Basically, you are going to win a smallish pot, or be put to the test where you have to 2 or 3 barrel bluff into a hand that often has you drawing to runners already.

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Why would you want to raise with AA or KK here... think about it...

If he has trips, you're drawing slim. If he has a lower pair, he's drawing to two outs... so why would you want to blow him off his hand by raising. Call and let him check the turn, you can check back. Then... call/bet river to win a small pot with your overpair. You also allow him to bluff by calling. Calling with an overpair is standard. Raise only if you're certain he'll call you with all lower pairs.

FOlding is best.

Calling is fine if you have a read that hes weak and will fold low pairs. Raising here always seems to get a call or a reraise, which is not what you want with overcards.