interesting turn card
 

also from last night's super (150+12). villain had just moved to the table a few hands ago.

***** Hand History for Game 2941297210 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16929395) - Thu Oct 27 21:54:51 EDT 2005
Table Super Thursday(498013) Table 19 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: krames44 (1877)
Seat 2: markhomer1 (455)
Seat 3: CalmBomber (810)
Seat 4: Danival (1400)
Seat 5: toPnOeviLi (590)
Seat 6: mahalkita1 (6071)
Seat 7: HERO (925)
Seat 8: bigbangs111 (1140)
Seat 9: sokio (1110)
Seat 10: Licker_Poker (260)
CalmBomber posts small blind (15)
Danival posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ah, Kc ]
toPnOeviLi folds.
mahalkita1 folds.
HERO raises (90) to 90
bigbangs111 folds.
sokio folds.
Licker_Poker folds.
krames44 folds.
markhomer1 folds.
CalmBomber folds.
Danival calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 2s, 2h ]
Danival checks.
HERO bets (120)
Danival calls (120)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ks ] (pot is 435, i have 715)
Danival checks.
HERO ?

Re: interesting turn card
 

I think Hero has to bet here. I put in ~210ish. It's early in the super and I've seen a lot of players make this flop call with just 2 overs and maybe the a high [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I'm honestly not sure what my plan would be if villian raised my bet here without reads. I tend to worry about flushes a little less when the flop is heads up (although I don't completely discount them) so I might even be tempted to possibly go broke here as I could see villian popping you with a hand like KQ or KJ, especially if they had a loose [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for their kicker.

While the turn card is certainly interesting, I really have to assume the only real question here is how much to bet, not if you should bet, as checking here I think would be a crime.

-Rizen

Re: interesting turn card
 

Push all in representing the K and hope they don’t believe you. The pots big enough for me to have now, and if they want to draw to trips with the last card they are welcome.

Re: interesting turn card
 

I think you missed the fact that their are 3 suited cards on the board. Not worried about villain having the flush since I'm getting all my chips in regardless. I'm more concerned with scaring him off with suited cards on the board. I raise the same as the flop or maybe as high as 180 and put the rest in on the river.

Re: interesting turn card
 

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Push all in representing the K and hope they don’t believe you. The pots big enough for me to have now, and if they want to draw to trips with the last card they are welcome.

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what hand do you want villain to call with?

Re: interesting turn card
 

1/2 pot bet is tempting but I'm worried that he just smooth calls. Of course if I bet pot, and he pushes, I'm a bit committed-ish. 3/4 pot?! Try to thin his odds a little.

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I actually have no problems checking this here.

There's the possiblity that villian has a medium pair and figured it was good on that flop. He may have been on the flush draw and now is slow playing it. He may have taken one off with two over cards.

The advantages of checking are that you can get to a cheap showdown on the river. I check the turn and plan to call most bets he makes on the river. You may get a worse hand to bluff as they may think the king scared you instead of helped you. A hand like 88 may bet thinking you have AQ or a worse K will most likely bet here. If he does have the flush you're not going to go broke here.

The disadvantges to checking this turn are if he has a mid pair with a spade and a fourth spade hits the river. You get away easily though if a fourth spade hits and he bets though. Also he may hit a two outer if he does have a mid pocket pair.

If a blank hits the river and he checks I will value bet my kings since he may think I have AQ and am taking another stab and call with a worse hand. If he reraises I will seriously consider folding it.

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i push

- your probably ahead and id rather eliminate any stragglers as the spade draw is very worrisome
- the all in can be viewed as a bluff and may be called with a draw/lesser hand. for the right price i'll take the risk that one of the 9 spades (assuming he has only one) doesnt hit the river

if he's slow playing a flush already - i go to bed

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i push

- your probably ahead and id rather eliminate any stragglers as the spade draw is very worrisome
- the all in can be viewed as a bluff and may be called with a draw/lesser hand. for the right price i'll take the risk that one of the 9 spades (assuming he has only one) doesnt hit the river

if he's slow playing a flush already - i go to bed

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I hate pushing here. Yes you pick up the pot right now if you're winning but otherwise you're out. Why not value bet and make him pay to draw to the flush? As long as you're giving him incorrect odds it's mistake for him to call.

I really think pushing is the worst move here.

Re: interesting turn card
 

misread your chip count as 435 instead of the pot size being 435. still bet out 120, same as flop.