AJs flop action?
 

UTG seemed like a solid player after only a few hands but no real read. The tabled played very loose and fishy, big pots with 2nd pairs etc. CO in this hand is one of the fishes, trying to win every hand. I'm loosening up a bit preflop to see if I can hit a big hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

UTG ($545)
MP ($294)
CO ($1034.83)
Hero ($712.20)
SB ($1101.29)
BB ($244.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $20, Hero calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($82) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, CO calls $40, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??? and my plan for the rest of the hand?

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Make it 240 and call a push? Push any turn? Does this sound good.

I am trying to post more in medium stakes to better my knowledge so I would appreciate feedback on my line.

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Make it 240 and call a push? Push any turn? Does this sound good.



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I like it. Maniacing with draws is always good for your image.

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if i raise, i make it 140, not 240. vs bad players that call too much, id prefer to make my hand before sticking in huge chunks of my stack, meaning that i dont really feel like playing for my entire 700 dollar stack quite yet (especially since one guy has me covered) if i raise, the reason i do so is because i think i can get a high 1 pair / 2 pair hand to pay me off more when i hit my flush by increasing the pot now rather than later.

it is very likely you are ahead on the flop and will get at least 1 call if you pop it now. this is why i raise vs these guys, not bc i have a huge draw and want folds. if my raise gets called and miss the turn, i check behind and evaluate from there.

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Anyone else?

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if i raise, i make it 140, not 240. vs bad players that call too much, id prefer to make my hand before sticking in huge chunks of my stack, meaning that i dont really feel like playing for my entire 700 dollar stack quite yet (especially since one guy has me covered) if i raise, the reason i do so is because i think i can get a high 1 pair / 2 pair hand to pay me off more when i hit my flush by increasing the pot now rather than later.

it is very likely you are ahead on the flop and will get at least 1 call if you pop it now. this is why i raise vs these guys, not bc i have a huge draw and want folds. if my raise gets called and miss the turn, i check behind and evaluate from there.

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This makes sense, but dont you think making NON-Pot sized raises gives away some info?

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i probably raise it to $160. that's enough to have some FE.

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call

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Call, big riae? Small raise?WHat is the consensus? Is there one?

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Call the flop. If flush on turn call if both players are in, or bet 1/2 pot if checked to. Call if HU with blank turn only if implied odds are there.

Hard to get paid when you bet a nut flush, but with a fish and position I'm pushing the river if it makes.

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As always it depends. Do the others fold to a raise here on the flop? Will wacko donk off more of his stack if I flat call figuring to have the best hand well over 50% of the time?

If the aggressor will usually stay the aggressor, I will sometimes just smooth call the flop &amp; turn expecting to make more $ in the long run, no matter what falls on the turn. If I have made my flush I wont pop it till the river.

I gotta figure the player in between is also playing the wacko so he figures to have a worse hand also and I have position. Also, since the other guy is in the BB when I flat call a flush on the turn possibly 20% of the time the BB pops it either trying to steal the pot figuring us to be weak or has made a flush also and is drawing dead. I cant count the times this has worked to my advantage.

This is not always my play but a little variable thats often profitable.

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bump it up 200 and call a push

too much dead money in the middle to flat call with such a nice hand imo..especially with opponents showing major weakness

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bump it up 200 and call a push

too much dead money in the middle to flat call with such a nice hand imo..especially with opponents showing major weakness

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I think this is poor thinking with regard to the hand

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I don't see why anybody would want to raise here. Sure, we may have the best hand, and if not, we have a good draw and a lot of equity, but lets consider what happens when you raise here.

a)You raise pot: Everybody folds.
You probably had the best hand, and pushed people off of their 2/3 outers. One of them probably had a flush draw.

b)You raise pot. One guy folds, the other guy pushes
You are pot committed, and are, at best, a 4:5 dog (v AK no spade), and much more likely to be a 3:7 dog (v a set).

c) You raise pot. Both players call.
This, of course, is a great outcome. You may get a free card, you're getting good money on your draw, you take control of the hand, you disguise your draw.... but you're pretty damn unlikely to have the best hand, unless you're playing against monkeys.


The guy is betting weakly into you, and he's probably doesn't have much of a hand. Let him keep betting it for you.

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bump it up 200 and call a push

too much dead money in the middle to flat call with such a nice hand imo..especially with opponents showing major weakness

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So you want the weak hands to fold why? I think this is a pot where we have fold equity but don't want to use it. I just call.

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Thanks everyone for some interesting discussion, seems a call is best here although there might be merit for other plays against certain opponents.

For those results orientated like me...
I was lost on the flop, went with my first instinct and raised it up to $140. UTG pushed $485. I decided I'm committed and called $345. UTG showed AA. Pottie wins the pot with the flush card on the turn, river blank. My advice - if you misplay a hand get lucky.