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This is an old post from MHNL. The poster is limon. I'm mostly curious about point 6, since it has never occured to me. What is he getting at?

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these are the most common mistakes i see in most big bet games. well use holdem for our examples.

1. slowplaying big pairs - preflop
2. always paying off with big pairs post flop
3. massively overbetting the pot - anytime
4. drawing against short stacks
5. drawing against big stacks who wont pay off
6. limping on the button with a hand that wont make the nuts
7. calling raises w/dominated hands

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A good question. Does he mean 98s? Q10s? Both?

1 + 7 is obvious but 2-5 are really good and something we can all use a little reminding of.

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6. limping on the button with a hand that wont make the nuts

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Well any hand can potentially make the nuts (7 deuce flops quad 7s), but I believe what he means is playing a hand such as 610o, where even if you flop a straight someone can flop a higher one.

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6. limping on the button with a hand that wont make the nuts

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Well any hand can potentially make the nuts (7 deuce flops quad 7s), but I believe what he means is playing a hand such as 610o, where even if you flop a straight someone can flop a higher one.

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But why the button?

I can think of hands like 23s, which can make the nut low flush, bottom two pair, etc, as well as 2- and 3-gappers that can't make the nut straight.

Should I never limp those, or is it OK to limp them from MP? I'd guess he's saying that the mistake is calling too liberally with these hands on the button, ie peeps don't limp MP with these hands but they will on the button.

ie the mistake is over-valuing position and calling too liberally.

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I think he's talking about hands that generally make top-pair hands: AKo, KJ, etc...

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I am not sure what cards he is talking about, but I think he is advocating a raise or fold line more often when in position.

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He is talking about hands like J5s, 38s, T4o.

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He is talking about hands like J5s, 38s, T4o.

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But why the button? Is he implying that hands like K8s are safer to play in raised pots against 2 or less opponents? Since in an unraised pot, people are less likely to go broke with non-nut hands, so stuff like K8s or smaller straights end up being the 2nd best hand too often?

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I understood it to mean: he often sees players limping with these hands just because they have the button. Doing this is a mistake. It would also be a mistake to limp with these hands from other positions, but he doesn't see players doing that so often.

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He is talking about hands like J5s, 38s, T4o.

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But why the button? Is he implying that hands like K8s are safer to play in raised pots against 2 or less opponents? Since in an unraised pot, people are less likely to go broke with non-nut hands, so stuff like K8s or smaller straights end up being the 2nd best hand too often?

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He may be referring to misplaying the button like many misplay the SB.

Hey 3 limpers, only $1 to me, this 47o could hit a monster and I have postion!