30/60 88 confused
 

Opponent looks real laggy, but only ~35 hands on him.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

I think that you can fold the flop. Even if you improve you can't play you hand with confidence so your implied odds are low.

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Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

88 is very tough to play early, folding is probably best. If you're going to try then raising is the way to go, limping is awful.

I think you can safely fold the flop.

Now I\'m confused...
 

If you're going to fold on this turn why are you calling the flop?

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

How about, raising the turn and representing a monster? It could easily look like AJ, QQ, 99. This is very player dependant, if the guy can make a fold I'd try it since you probably have 6 outs.

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

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How about, raising the turn and representing a monster? It could easily look like AJ, QQ, 99. This is very player dependant, if the guy can make a fold I'd try it since you probably have 6 outs.

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How about, no?

Fold preflop.
Having made it to the flop, fold the flop.

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

To all of you who are saying fold preflop, no, no, and no. For as long as I've been on the mid-high forums, it's always been standard to open-raise 77+ from UTG.

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

Seriously, what is so bad about it?

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

Everybody advocating a fold PF or on the flop kind of confuses me.

If we're assuming the villian is basicall unknown, what sort of hand would your 'average apparently laggy' opposition play this way.

He probably does'nt have a Q, as he would have check/raised the flop. He probably doesn't have a J either, for the same reason. A 9 is possible, as he may donk a nine, but unlikely.

His flop and turn bets, most likely, are being made because he wants you to fold, and he's probably putting you on no pair, which means he probably has worse then no pair, and probably has a T in his hand.

After the board pairs, i'm seeing the river, i'm just not convince this guy has anything here even 50% of the time, and i'm probably calling any river card that isn't a K.

lf

Re: 30/60 88 confused
 

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His flop and turn bets, most likely, are being made because he wants you to fold, and he's probably putting you on no pair, which means he probably has worse then no pair, and probably has a T in his hand.

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You really think he's betting the turn OOP putting you squarely on AK, afer you've called the flop?