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Rococo 12-29-2005 11:21 AM

25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
4 handed. I just sat down so my reads aren't great. I have $5K. Villain covers. My recollection from other sessions is that the Villain in this hand is even more aggressive than the usual 25-50 SH player. I feel like this is a very common scenario in SH games and that I am not handling these spots particularly well.

Preflop

Villain makes it $150 on the Button. I call in the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I probably am ahead better than 50% of the time here against this opponent.

Flop

A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check. Villain bets $200. I call.

Turn

9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check. Villain bets $600. I call.

River

2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check. Villain bets $400. I call.

I'm sure that people will tell me to do this or that in order to "define my hand", but I'm not at all convinced that I want to define my hand against this opponent in a SH game.

That being said, I can't believe my line is correct and this is the sort of hand that makes me feel like a donkey.

fsuplayer 12-29-2005 12:00 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
looks pretty good to me against a big LAG.

creedofhubris 12-29-2005 12:08 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
River is kind of weird, but you don't want to reopen the betting.

Did you consider check/raising the turn?

flawless_victory 12-29-2005 12:15 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
kinda surpised this got posted, pretty ame... i most likely play the same, looks good.

flawless_victory 12-29-2005 12:15 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
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Did you consider check/raising the turn?

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whyyy?

Rococo 12-29-2005 12:17 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
Ok. I guess that I am just being results-oriented.

fsuplayer 12-29-2005 12:23 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
usually when its a results oriented post i know exactly what the result is, this one im not so sure.

either he showed a winner and lost a ton of value, or had a weak ace or QQ and you wouldnt have won that much more anyways.

so which is it?

flawless_victory 12-29-2005 12:25 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
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usually when its a results oriented post i know exactly what the result is, this one im not so sure.

either he showed a winner and lost a ton of value, or had a weak ace or QQ and you wouldnt have won that much more anyways.

so which is it?

[/ QUOTE ]exactly. i figured villain had 22 or maybe A2? i mean, wtf? he let you off pretty easy dude.

Rococo 12-29-2005 12:26 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
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River is kind of weird, but you don't want to reopen the betting.

Did you consider check/raising the turn?

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Well, if I could see Villain's cards, I think that I would only CR if he held a hand like Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K or Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9. I thought his range was much broader.

Rococo 12-29-2005 12:29 PM

Results
 
Villain showed T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the turned flush. He obviously put me on a lone A on the river and just tried to make a weirdly small value bet.

revlis87 12-29-2005 02:38 PM

Re: Results
 
reeeeeraise preflop. i know your out of position but make your oponent hit his hand on the flop. you need to take control of the hand PREFLOP.

Rococo 12-29-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Results
 
I'm afraid that my opponent's definition of "hitting" his hand may be too broad to warrant a reraise with a marginal holding here. If I reraise and he calls (which will be very often), I am going to be firing a grand into the pot OOP on the flop with A high very often. I don't mind this sort of play with 99, TT against an aggro, but it can get pretty expensive with A high and not a huge amount of fold equity.

mgsimpleton 12-29-2005 04:55 PM

Re: Results
 
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I'm afraid that my opponent's definition of "hitting" his hand may be too broad to warrant a reraise with a marginal holding here. If I reraise and he calls (which will be very often), I am going to be firing a grand into the pot OOP on the flop with A high very often. I don't mind this sort of play with 99, TT against an aggro, but it can get pretty expensive with A high and not a huge amount of fold equity.

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but the real question is: would you rather reraise preflop with JJ or with AQs?

Rococo 12-29-2005 05:01 PM

Re: Results
 
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but the real question is: would you rather reraise preflop with JJ or with AQs?

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well-played. I'm sure El D and MM broke out in hives thinking about this very question.

creedofhubris 12-29-2005 05:23 PM

Re: 25-50 -- this can\'t be right
 
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Did you consider check/raising the turn?

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whyyy?

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Because it's the only point where I would consider playing this hand differently?


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