Value bet the river on these hands?
 

Both are Party 20+2 2-table SnGs. Moderately early in both.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t1525)
UTG (t1245)
MP1 (t2114)
MP2 (t1091)
Hero (t1440)
Button (t1295)
SB (t1290)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t70.

Flop: (t245) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP2 calls t150.

Turn: (t545) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, MP2 calls t300.

River: (t1145) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero ?

Is he going CR the river Q scare card or is he just on a weak ace?



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t970)
BB (t910)
UTG (t1515)
UTG+1 (t910)
MP1 (t985)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t695)
CO (t2245)
Hero (t970)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t55</font>, SB calls t45, BB calls t40, MP3 calls t40.

Flop: (t217.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t35</font>, BB folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t35.

Turn: (t287.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, SB calls t150.

River: (t687.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t55</font>, Hero ?

A blocking bet or begging me to raise?

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

I check hand 1, raise hand 2.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

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I check hand 1, raise hand 2.

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i think i'm the opposite... i bet hand 1, call hand 2.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

pretty sure i value bet both of these rivers.

on the first one i bet and call if he c/r's me.

on the second one i raise and probably fold to a 3-bet, depending on the size.

the buyin might help. regardless, i don't see a queen often enough on the first hand to not value bet that river.

on the second hand, it is way too ragged for anyone to be drawing, so your only hope is that someone is just calling down with a weak ace. however, i think you see this enough that you're missing value if you don't raise this river.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

Sorry about that, both are 20+2 2-table SnGs. I will edit to reflect that.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

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pretty sure i value bet both of these rivers.

on the first one i bet and call if he c/r's me.

on the second one i raise and probably fold to a 3-bet, depending on the size.

the buyin might help. regardless, i don't see a queen often enough on the first hand to not value bet that river.

on the second hand, it is way too ragged for anyone to be drawing, so your only hope is that someone is just calling down with a weak ace. however, i think you see this enough that you're missing value if you don't raise this river.

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You are correct, sir. You've got to be VBing these hands, but yes, you can fold to a 3-bet on 2.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

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i bet hand 1, call hand 2.

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Hand 1: I trust river checks a lot (probably too much), and I really don't put him on a Q here. Looks like A with lower kicker.

Hand 2: I think you narrowed down his possible logic nicely. In other words, he's either got you beat or he folds to a raise.... WA/WB, call.

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

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WA/WB, call.

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Dude. It is the river. This phrase is always poorly used, but should refer to a situation where you have 0-3 outs or he does. Once you get to the river, you have no outs unless you consider dropping a card on the floor a possibility... Or disconecting. Yes, you should always wait out your opponent on the river. Maybe he'll DC.


Personally, I take serious offense at the amount he bet and I would "say" "Hell, no, buddy, you ain't getting out of this that cheap!!!!" You would have bet around 350 here and you're gonna let him off with a 55 chip bet????

Re: Value bet the river on these hands?
 

you think that bet is just a blocking bet w/ a bad A often enough?

What do you do if he 3-bets?