15/30 KJo
 

9 handed Party 15/30, I'm at home so no pokertracker or anything. this table had a couple multiway pots in a row so I figured by my neanderthal method of table selection without a HUD, this was a good one.

anyways, I get red K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and open raise on the button. BB just calls.

scenario 1:
flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], he checks I bet he calls

turn J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he checks I check?

scenario 2:
flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], he checks I bet he calls

turn J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he checks I bet?

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

No real draws on the board, so I'd probably check behind. If you think he is hijacking your [censored], call his river bet.

Nick

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

I like the check.

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

Can someone explain why checking is better than betting in either scenario? Are we assuming that BB will bet the river because you checked behind on the turn?

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

Hi chief,

so in scenario 2 you favor a bet?

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

Checking isn't favorable in either situation. We have no good reason to put him on an ace. Donks do donkey things. Maybe he called the flop with NE2, maybe he called it with 89. Fine it is possible that he has an ace, but it is going to take a lot more than a call on the flop to get me to stop betting 2nd button.... Or to stop betting with king high.

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

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Checking isn't favorable in either situation. We have no good reason to put him on an ace. Donks do donkey things. Maybe he called the flop with NE2, maybe he called it with 89. Fine it is possible that he has an ace, but it is going to take a lot more than a call on the flop to get me to stop betting 2nd button.... Or to stop betting with king high.

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if he called the flop with nothing, it's actually more of an argument to check, right?

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

Not really, unless you know he will lead the river with air if you check behind on the turn...which is what I was asking previously.

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

or if he'll catch something that would make him call the river when he would have folded, or if he has something like 55 that he'll call on the river but not the turn for some reason. though, I'd expect him to call 55 the whole way some portion of the time

Re: 15/30 KJo
 

And what if he has 55 and a 5 hits the river? Or if he has KQ and a Q hits? Or 76/65 and hits the gutshot?