Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

So what do you do here, tigerite?

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

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So what do you do here, tigerite?

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Depends on my image and my read on the opponent. If my image is good and I think my fold equity is good (because my opponent will need to be 41% favourite to call any push I make, as well - another factor here) then I would push, or if I feel that the SB's min raise might as well be any two cards, then I'd also push.

It's just not a push you can make without a read or some kind of idea on the other's impression of you. Certainly not an 'insta push'. It would depend on the above factors for me.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

Lets ignore your little argument for the time being. Are you saying you'll fold KJ here?

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What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at?

22+? A9+? KJ+?

We're 37/63 against that range.

So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds.

You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise?

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Well that's the question isn't it - which is why I'd want a read on the guy, and to have some idea on his read on me to make the push.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

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Lets ignore your little argument for the time being. Are you saying you'll fold KJ here?

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Sometimes. It depends! As I've explained.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

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You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise?

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Ummm yeah, that was my first thought when I seen the hand.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

Well, personally, I always (without fail) have some read on the SB by this point and some idea of my table image, and I play KJo here accordingly. There isn't a black and white answer.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

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What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at?

22+? A9+? KJ+?

We're 37/63 against that range.

So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds.

You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise?

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IT DEPENDS.

In order to put the SB on a range of hands, you have to have witnessed his behavior up to this point. How can tigerite answer a question like that in a vacuum. Against some opponents, I'd push instantly. Against others, I'd call and see a flop. I can't imagine that there would be opponents so tight that I would fold this ITM, but who knows...

Well, I just read tigerite's responses, and as usual, he is correct. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

Sometimes your posts are so math oriented without enough explaination that I (we) can't follow them. Anyways, the way I see it, pushing and calling are the two best options. I'd never fold this. I guess I'd decide between pushing and calling based on the SB actions thus far and my image. I mean, hero is getting pretty good odds to call here. But if SB is constantly raising my BB then its time to send a little message. If this is the first time he's stolen in a while I'd flat call and see a flop. And how does he play post flop? Can we steal it post flop if he checks or does he play tricky? And whats with the min raise? Is that something new or is this how he always steals? And how easy is it to steal the money back? There is a lot to consider here and ICM can only take it so far.

Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
 

When i first read this hand I was thinking that I'm folding most of the time. Why? Because a lot of times I know I can, even with the short stack, find better situatons where I'm first in and not dealign with somebody that has already shown some interest. Like always reads are everything. For some players this play is KK+, others it could be a steal that is ready to fold to any attention, and other players will min-raise in an attempt to steal but then say '[censored] it' when you push and call anyway. No way is this an insta-push.