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yvesaint 09-01-2005 03:11 PM

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I've been playing with this lately....

1) Raising PF with a mid-high pp (like 10s). After you, a tight player reraises you and you firmly place him on a high pocket pair JJ-AA. You are certain you are behind.

The flop comes Ace high. Bet into him. He folds anything except Aces.

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Sooooo ... you lose the pot on all non A-high flops, and steal the pot on all A-high flops, except when he has AA? Sounds like a losing move to me.

TheWorstPlayer 09-01-2005 03:12 PM

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I've been playing with this lately....

1) Raising PF with a mid-high pp (like 10s). After you, a tight player reraises you and you firmly place him on a high pocket pair JJ-AA. You are certain you are behind.

The flop comes Ace high. Bet into him. He folds anything except Aces.

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Sooooo ... you lose the pot on all non A-high flops, and steal the pot on all A-high flops, except when he has AA? Sounds like a losing move to me.

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You also win massively on all Txx flops.

ScottTheFish 09-01-2005 03:35 PM

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I've been playing with this lately....

1) Raising PF with a mid-high pp (like 10s). After you, a tight player reraises you and you firmly place him on a high pocket pair JJ-AA. You are certain you are behind.

The flop comes Ace high. Bet into him. He folds anything except Aces.

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Sooooo ... you lose the pot on all non A-high flops, and steal the pot on all A-high flops, except when he has AA? Sounds like a losing move to me.

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You also win massively on all Txx flops.

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So say you win the current pot with 75% of all flops with an A, and stack him basically every time you flop a set, do you have odds to call his reraise with 100BB stacks? say you rasied to 4BB and had to call 10-12BB more.

I really don't know, and don't know how to do the math. Yes, I suck.

Raven 09-01-2005 03:39 PM

Re: \"Default situational plays\" - your favorites?
 
Bet two barrels at a 3 handed limped pot in second position with nothing when the flop is trashy.

emil3000 09-01-2005 03:40 PM

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My favorite play is to open limp/re-raise from the SB.

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With or without a hand? if both, some frequencies, like how often you limp tt-aa?

TheWorstPlayer 09-01-2005 03:42 PM

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My favorite play is to open limp/re-raise from the SB.

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With or without a hand? if both, some frequencies, like how often you limp tt-aa?

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I always try to limp/re-raise TT+ against aggro BBs because they very very rarely give you credit for having a hand. Yes, I've had some fantastically funny hands like I complete AA, he raises to 4bb, I re-raise to 25bb (always make this a big one), he pushes for 150bb I call. His J3o loses. It's an awesome play cause no one ever believe's it's for real. And no I don't usually do it with trash. It's better just to raise if the guy is tight and fold if the guy is loose. The reason why this play is awesome is because no one ever gives it credit. So don't pull it with junk.

BigF 09-01-2005 03:44 PM

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I've been playing with this lately....

1) Raising PF with a mid-high pp (like 10s). After you, a tight player reraises you and you firmly place him on a high pocket pair JJ-AA. You are certain you are behind.

The flop comes Ace high. Bet into him. He folds anything except Aces.

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Sooooo ... you lose the pot on all non A-high flops, and steal the pot on all A-high flops, except when he has AA? Sounds like a losing move to me.

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You also win massively on all Txx flops.

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So say you win the current pot with 75% of all flops with an A, and stack him basically every time you flop a set, do you have odds to call his reraise with 100BB stacks? say you rasied to 4BB and had to call 10-12BB more.

I really don't know, and don't know how to do the math. Yes, I suck.

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Uh yeah. Set value alone justifies that call.

kurto 09-01-2005 06:10 PM

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Sooooo ... you lose the pot on all non A-high flops, and steal the pot on all A-high flops, except when he has AA? Sounds like a losing move to me.

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???? I'm calling primarily for set value. Its just another way to win the hand. ie- flop set OR bluff the ace.

I'm not folding all lower pairs everytime I know someone has a higher pocket pair and the stacks are deep. Are you?

Yads 09-01-2005 06:15 PM

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I don't play NL much, but I use this play in SH limit a lot and this can probably be applied easily to NL. I use this play if my continuation bets are not getting any respect. If I'm heads up or 3 way in late position and miss the flop I sometimes check behind and bet when a face card falls on the turn, gets a fold almost every time.

erby 09-01-2005 06:20 PM

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I raise AK, get a call from a LAG who limped before me.

Flop is something like A J 6. He checks, I make my 'continuation bet'. He calls.

Turn goes check-check.

He bets big on the river, I insta-call and he flips over QJ thinking it was good the entire way. Or, he flips over air. They just never expect someone to check top pair on the turn.

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This play is GOLD. I use this all the time with great success. Also keeps you out of trouble with a 1 pair hand when he has you smoked and was trying for the c/r on the turn.

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If he has you smoked and is going for a c/r on the turn, how are you dodging trouble if you call his huge bet on the river?

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