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Emperor 08-17-2005 01:27 PM

Short Sell Google?
 
I am thinking of shorting Google for all of the obvious reasons.

With a not so obvious reason that Microsoft's new OS will have a VERY similar product built-in.

My only fear is that there has been a ton of insider selling, and a ton of shorting already, which may have the price DEPRESSED??????

Any comments, ideas, suggestions??

lastsamurai 08-17-2005 05:17 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
only if you want the bid to get WACKED.

As long as the stock as strong earnings...great relative strength..there is no reason to short the stock.... if you want to lock in the profits just buy puts.

Emperor 08-17-2005 05:29 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
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if you want to lock in the profits just buy puts.

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Umm what profits would those be? This is a $150 stock trading at $300 IMO.

Selling short means I can wait forever for the stock to fall.

Buying puts means I have to be able to anticipate how soon and how fast it will drop, and I have no idea.

Please explain the advantage. I'd also like to know why buying puts in this situation is better than selling calls.

TStoneMBD 08-17-2005 06:07 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
harry s dent, a theorist that appears to be respected on this forum says that we will go through a second tech boom in the next few years. leading technology companies such as google, according to him, will continue to rise tremendously as they capitalize on the surging tech boom.

i dont know much about the current market, nor do i know if harry s dent is just a lunatic, but i thought i would provide this food for thought.

RunDownHouse 08-17-2005 06:20 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
Even though everyone intelligent knew stocks were WAY overvalued during the tech bubble, very, very few could afford to short those stocks long enough to not lose their shirt.

I don't know one way or the other about GOOG (other than they look expensive, of course), but stuff like this is enough to scare me.

lastsamurai 08-17-2005 06:52 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
if you own the stock already you buy puts to protect your profits..... selling COVERED calls is the safest option strategy out there... This is the only option strategy they let you use in IRAs I guess the difference between buying puts and selling calls is how much of a gamble you have

buffett 08-17-2005 11:18 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
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Selling short means I can wait forever for the stock to fall.

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Yeah, good luck with that, especially when your broker issues a margin call.
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Uglyowl 08-17-2005 11:47 PM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
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Umm what profits would those be? This is a $150 stock trading at $300 IMO.

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GOOG has real profits and the street estimate is $7.34 for next year. If you think GOOG is worth a P/E of 20 you are smoking crack.

08-18-2005 01:27 AM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
You're smoking crack if you think ANY stock is EVER worth more than a P/E of 20. I have trouble buying stocks with P/E's over 15. If it works for the greatest investor of all time, why not me?

I think this is, however, a bad buy. The stock is going to stay ridiculously overpriced for a while to come, I suspect.

lastsamurai 08-18-2005 02:27 AM

Re: Short Sell Google?
 
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You're smoking crack if you think ANY stock is EVER worth more than a P/E of 20. I have trouble buying stocks with P/E's over 15. If it works for the greatest investor of all time, why not me?

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So basicly what you are trying to tell me is if a company has earnings growth rate of 100% a year and forcasted to meet their numbers a PE over 20/30 is over valued? compared to a company like ford that has a PE of 10 with little or no growth rate to have better value? You have to remember...you have to treat companies like the drity sluts that they are and put your sell points when they start acting up.

Get the William Oneil book and read the section on PE ratios. Then read the section on the 20 points on when to sell.


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