30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

Button here is "ihardlyknowher" a 2+2er. He knows who I am and vice versa. MP2 is kind of a tard but will probably fold without an ace. What do you guys think?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero immediately bets</font>...

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

What is MP2s range of cold-calling hands from an UTG raiser? He doesn't look to be going anywhere.

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

I don't remember this hand. I must have a pocket pair here. I am only folding the river if my PP &lt; 77. Did I fold?

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through?

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

isn't this just a 'bluff bet the scare card' hand?

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

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I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through?

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Of course a check-raise is more likely to succeed, but it's twice as costly when it fails. Do you still stand by this statement? You think that getting 6:1 on a 1 bet bluff here, you do better by check-raising getting 7:2 because you odds of winning improve so dramatically?

I'm not convinced either way, I'm just trying to point out that the extra wins come at a steep price, to try to frame the argument between the two bluffs better. If I did take a stand though, I'd say that the bet out looks a lot more profitable than the check-raise to me.

-eric

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

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I don't remember this hand. I must have a pocket pair here. I am only folding the river if my PP &lt; 77. Did I fold?

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i bet, MP2 folded, and you thought for about 25 seconds (timer ticked to 3 seconds left) and you called the turn. the river action, I bet again (I regretted betting IMMEDIATELY and felt horrible for doing so) you called, showed 88 and YHIG.

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

I should have probably raised the turn for a free SD here. You agree? (assuming your cards are unknown, of course)

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

No I think this would be very bad. What you did is good. But of course that is because he bluffed the river too.

-DeathDonkey

Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
 

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I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through?

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Of course a check-raise is more likely to succeed, but it's twice as costly when it fails. Do you still stand by this statement? You think that getting 6:1 on a 1 bet bluff here, you do better by check-raising getting 7:2 because you odds of winning improve so dramatically?

I'm not convinced either way, I'm just trying to point out that the extra wins come at a steep price, to try to frame the argument between the two bluffs better. If I did take a stand though, I'd say that the bet out looks a lot more profitable than the check-raise to me.

-eric

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right, I think the extra show of strength (making a fold much more likely) makes up for the decreased pot odds. I'm not familiar with the play at this level, but donking here does not look like an A to me. also, villain might possibly bluff-raise a bet, but will almost certainly not bluff-3bet a c/r.