Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

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2/4 NL: Effective stacks $420.

Preflop: TWP is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, TWP calls, BN calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> ($18)
BB checks, UTG checks, TWP bets $8, BN raises to $25, BB folds, UTG folds, TWP...?

BN is the one of the biggest rocks in these games. Danimal8 for those who play skins 2/4 6max. What's my line for the rest of the hand (depending on turn/river cards potentially)? And was $8 good initially?

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

I just call here and then lead weak again if the board doesn't pair.

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

Call and c/r the turn.

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

What if the board does pair?

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

If he's a huge rock I wouldn't worry about trying to get value against his one pair, I 3-bet the flop and hope he's got a set/two pair

$8? If that's your standard bet in this situation, then ok. Just keep in consinstent. I prefer minimum 2/3 pot though.

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

Call down.

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

I like stop n go here. I think c/r allows button to get away from his hand too easily. I call and 3/4 pot a blank turn.

If the board pairs, I think I go into either c/c or c/f mode. If this guy is a rock, I put him on 77 or 88.

I usually lead the flop harder, unless you were inducing a raise...?

Re: Flopped da\' nuts - how to get value?
 

I'd lead more on the flop. It's not like he's doing this with a draw, so I'm not worried about him checking behind on the turn. I'd call here, check/raise a non-paired turn, bet/fold if the turn pairs the board.

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I think Villian's hand range is AJ, KJ, JTs, 88, or 77. 3-betting gets a TPTK like hand to fold and a set to call/fold to non-board pairing turn.

If we 3-bet it'd be probably between $65~$70. So we lose 1 time in 6.

AJ and KJ contribute $25 and fold to our raise.
A set contributes $75 to the pot and folds the turn when it doesnt pair.

So lets say he has a set 2 outta 10 times and TPTK the rest of the time.

3-betting pushes a hand that has to hit runner to win out and entices a hand that will stack us to call.

If we call the flop raise and let the Villian pot the turn we will win much more from the TPTK type hands and get a set to commit when he has less a chance of beating us.

I call the flop raise and c/r the turn probably all-in.

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a set to call/fold to non-board pairing turn.

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For reals? I don't see a set folding the turn

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If we call the flop raise and let the Villian pot the turn

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Eh, maybe he bets the turn, but probably not pot. Good luck trying to win anything more than a turn bet off AJ, if that