How good is KQo?
 

allright, so i have not lost $1,025 with KQo after having it over 300 times at 5/10 6 max - a major leak that i would like to fix. My PFR with this hand is 70% but my W$aSD is only 35%. Obviously i am taking this hand too far. However, my question is really how powerful is KQo? Should i be reraising it against TAGs? What do you guys think of this hand?

Re: How good is KQo?
 

excuse me, what i meant to say was - allright, so i have NOW lost $1,025 with KQo after having it over 300 times at 5/10 6 max - a major leak that i would like to fix. My PFR with this hand is 70% but my W$aSD is only 35%. Obviously i am taking this hand too far. However, my question is really how powerful is KQo? Should i be reraising it against TAGs? What do you guys think of this hand?

Re: How good is KQo?
 

In my opinion its a bad hand.
In a normal ring game i only play the hand from late position by limping in, ocassionally raising only if im in the blinds and the action has folded to me, or rarely from mid position by limping in.

The reason i dislike the hand so much and lose alot of money with KQo is because when i limp in from mid or late position and i am faced with a raise i usually find myself dominated if not behind by hands a typical player would raise with;

these include AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, KK, AA.

However I know you cannot always be scared of the big pairs, yet even if you get 1 or 2 callers and the flop comes something along the lines of:

A K x or A Q x or K Q J.

The reason i hate it is because i usually raise and get re raised and fine myself up against a better hand

Re: How good is KQo?
 

Here's a tip, don't ever limp KQo, or any big offsuited broadways. Its a deathwish. This hand must be raised if opened (like any hand), and if you can't raise it you shouldn't be playing it.

Don't be results oriented, KQo is a solid hand, no AK, but it should be a winner in the long term.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

do you think it's a 3-betting hand in most situation?

i open-raise any position with KQo and AJo or raise any number of limpers. i've been toying with 3 betting them as well - pushing it?

Re: How good is KQo?
 

http://ddubois.bounceme.net/poker/KQo.jpg

Re: How good is KQo?
 

[ QUOTE ]
pushing it?

[/ QUOTE ] A bit. It shouldn't be an auto 3-bet but should definitely be three-bet against a steal.

Edit: This hand is an easy fold in a full ring when there's a EP-MP raise in front of you from a TAG or from some air-tights at 6 max.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

I'm running better than ddubois with KQo at 5/10 it seems. I am more aggressive with it, raising more often. I often 3-bet this hand preflop against most raisers. I also raise it out of the blinds with limpers, although with a lot of limpers I just call. KQo is a very good hand, although I suspect that very few of us have enough hands for real statistical significance with individual hands. In any case, it is my highest earning offsuit hand that does not contain an ace, which is not surprising I guess.

240 times
Win% 51.25
Net $1194.82
BB 0.50/Hand
PFR 87.92%
RFI 42.92
LwPC 2.08
WtSD 48.39
W$SD 46.51

Re: How good is KQo?
 

It's good, raise it preflop UTG.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

490 times
VPIP 85.51
PFR 71.63
+$1210.49
0.25BB/100

I typically fold this to a raise unless I am in a blind.

I've won twice as much with KQo as with AJo. 500 hands is nothing. Keep playing it.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

Hi,all.I`ve been playing a lot of 10/20 lately on PStars and find it very aggresive&tough there.One thing i`ve noticed about hands like KQo and AJo is that I make more money with those when i`m running bad and losing as opposed to when winning or in a normal play.The reason i think is that when i open raise with those 2 hands premium hands like AA-10 +AQ,AK will always reraise me but in adition to those when running bad I`ll be often 3 beted by a lot of crap from QJ all the way to 73o which will not happen normally.This is where the extra equity for KQo,AJo comes from IMO.The key is to let the yahoos bet into you all the way to the river if you catch a good flop but fold if you miss completely cause running bad is not the image you want when tring to bully the yahoos.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

I think KQo is an easy raise when opening the action from any position. And I would also raise with it if there has been one limper, and perhaps even 2.

But I'm not sure how to play KQo when there's been a raise. If someone relatively TAGish raises utg, then I probably fold, unless I think the guy is weak postflop. If I'm in the blinds and the raise came from a steal position, then I think 3-betting makes sense. But I don't know how to play the hand if I'm in the sb and preflop raiser came from ep or mp.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

Limping KQo makes baby jesus cry...

Re: How good is KQo?
 

In my own experiance the weight of UTG raiser we usually take as a gospel is somewhat fuzzier in a shorthanded games(the shorter the fuzzier it is) as compared to a full game.I`m certainly not advocating reckless plays here but oftentimes you will be up against an inferior hand or a slightly better one.Here though in a SH game u should be thinking not only about the +-EV of your hand but also the cost of folding your hand.If you play 6 handed 10/20 (which is my usual game so I`ll use it as an example) each hand costs me BB$10 + SB$5=15/6 hands=$2.5.00.So the question really is : am I loosing > $2.5 by playing KQo against a raise (for no raise we all agree we play it 100%)?If yes then fold it if no then play it?Look at your stats and don`t forget that your playing stile and image at the table will also have a major impact on your actual results.Its not all mathematics and if it was then the bots will have it all at the end.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

well it depends.

It's good enough to open raise from anywhere. It's good enough to raise limpers. Sometimes even from the blinds.

Other than that I'd only reraise with it in stealing type scenarios (including 3bets from the button when CO tries to steel)... or against ultra wackos in some situations.

Re: How good is KQo?
 

I typically call a ep-co raise when I'm in the sb, and 3bet when someone's firing from the button.

But I'm pretty noob, and of course this is very situational yadda yadda.