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felix83 11-02-2005 07:54 PM

Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
Button was LAGy, table was passive overall. Not sure about this flop play. I thought it would conceal my hand and that I had about enough outs to make it worthwhile.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

hobbsmann 11-02-2005 07:58 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
Just call the first raise from button as your equity isn't that great HU and there is very small chance that you still have the best hand. The rest of the hand looks good.

Adam22 11-02-2005 08:02 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
is that a no brainer PF call? i wouldn't personally do that but i'm trying to expand my VPIP.

lionhorse 11-02-2005 08:05 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.

Not a fan of the 3-bet on the flop in this case, but otherwise I think you played ok.

Edit: And the preflop call seems fine

shant 11-02-2005 08:07 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
Just call the flop raise if you want to get that $.

W. Deranged 11-02-2005 08:54 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
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Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.



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No. It probably means he's an idiot.

lionhorse 11-02-2005 09:22 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
Ok, maybe not with 50% certainty, but I'm inclined to think the button is trying to get tricky if he open limps on the button when he is LAGy. This actually happened to me the other day when I held TT in the BB and got reraised.

peterchi 11-02-2005 09:48 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
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is that a no brainer PF call? i wouldn't personally do that but i'm trying to expand my VPIP.

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Pretty standard I think. 4:1 immediate pot odds to see a flop.

peterchi 11-02-2005 09:49 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
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Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.


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It's certainly possible, but I think it's far from probable. It's more likely that he's generally confused about poker.

brettbrettr 11-02-2005 09:51 PM

Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw
 
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No. It probably means he's an idiot.

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No, when a lag open-limps there, I have to agree it indicates a very big hand a lot of the time. It has no bearing on whwther or not he is indeed an idiot.


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