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suited_ace 11-21-2005 07:28 PM

($22) Live and die by the river.
 
I hated these 3 hands. In hindsight, I think all of them were folds, but I want your comments on these.

Thx.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t785)
SB (t1255)
Hero (t800)
UTG (t360)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t60) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t25</font>, Hero calls t25, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t25.

River: (t135) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t75</font>, Hero calls t75, MP3 folds.



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t1320)
MP1 (t715)
MP2 (t435)
MP3 (t740)
CO (t290)
Button (t1280)
SB (t1025)
Hero (t775)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t675)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t90) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t75</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t75.

River: (t240) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t125</font>, Hero calls t125.



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t1625)
SB (t750)
Hero (t635)
UTG (t635)
UTG+1 (t1115)
MP1 (t710)
MP2 (t1255)
CO (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t125) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (t125) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t125) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, Hero folds.

pineapple888 11-21-2005 07:31 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
Don't you ever bet? The idea is not to see the river...

psyduck 11-21-2005 07:34 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
hand 1 is horrible. lead the flop. when you whiff the flop, RAISE THE TURN!! river play is fine I guess, although you should have defined the hand on earlier streets.

hand 2: BET THE FLOP. you have 75% equity on the flop - try to get it all in there. turn and river are fine I guess and river is more of a crying call hoping he has ... uhh AQ I guess. nothing else that you beat. I might just fold river.

hand 3: call leever.

psyduck 11-21-2005 07:35 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
actually hand 3 is fine.

mlagoo 11-21-2005 07:35 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
yeesh.

bet, sir. we call it a semi bluff.

11-21-2005 07:40 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
I was just thinking the same thing. There were several opportunities to semi-bluff or bet for value in there. Checking and calling with everything just won't get it done. And I don't know that I'd fold that last hand when you did. That guy is basically full of [censored].

suited_ace 11-21-2005 07:40 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
Yeah, not betting the flop on hand 2 sucks. I don't think not betting the flop on hand 1 was as bad as hand 2, but I see your point.

jb9 11-21-2005 07:40 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
Hand 1 I bet the pot on the flop. If I didn't do that, I would have raised SB's turn bet (to 80-100). If SB bet big on the river, I'd consider folding.

Hand 2 I probably bet the pot on the turn -- I'd be worried if I got raised. As you played it, I'd have trouble folding on the river although it does look like button wants to be called.

Hand 3 I might try to steal on the turn (either he has an Ace, flush draw, or I'm taking the pot). I'm not sure about the river. If he has an Ace, he doesn't have the flush draw, so he should have bet on the flop or turn. He may be bluffing thinking you would have bet by now if you had anything. A read on UTG+1 would help.

11-21-2005 07:40 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
Damnit, on hand 3, bet the turn. PLEASE!

dseiko 11-21-2005 07:56 PM

Re: ($22) Live and die by the river.
 
I atleast bet half of the pot on the flop in the first two hands. I then continue and bet half the pots on the turn for those two. In the turn on the 3rd i bet half the pot as a semi bluff.


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