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Scuba Chuck 12-15-2005 04:01 AM

First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
Stupid converter...

#Game No : 3203757646
***** Hand History for Game 3203757646 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18292789 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 01:55:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 67469 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AAAMAN1 ( $1035 )
Seat 2: BettaFold110 ( $2005 )
Seat 3: QuasiFiction ( $725 )
Seat 5: Scuba_Chuck ( $800 )
Seat 6: underpar24 ( $865 )
Seat 7: Deevilicious ( $425 )
Seat 8: LuckyAustin4 ( $835 )
Seat 9: CartmansMom ( $385 )
Seat 10: jsa714 ( $925 )
Trny:18292789 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Kc Kd ]
AAAMAN1 raises [85].
BettaFold110 folds.
QuasiFiction raises [200].
Scuba_Chuck .....

Just in case any of you don't know, QuasiFiction is #4 on the leaderboard, and he plays the $33s (I'm guessing a ton).

Slim Pickens 12-15-2005 04:08 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

Scuba Chuck 12-15-2005 04:12 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
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It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

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His range is what?
I'm what against his range?

(Furthermore, which I know this is never correct to do, but my instincts were that he had AA/KK here).

splashpot 12-15-2005 04:15 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.

Scuba Chuck 12-15-2005 04:16 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
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I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.

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Well, I'm certain, not positive, but I'm pretty damn certain, AK is not in that range here. Splash, you play more aggressive with AK than others. I've seen that out of you.

splashpot 12-15-2005 04:17 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
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I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.

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Well, I'm certain, not positive, but I'm pretty damn certain, AK is not in that range here. Splash, you play more aggressive with AK than others. I've seen that out of you.

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Yea...depends on what mood I'm in, haha. I don't know if my aggressiveness is a good thing or a leak though.

Slim Pickens 12-15-2005 04:18 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
I'd say the raiser's range really depends on AAAMAN's profile so far. Against a super-LAG, my reraising range could be as loose as AJs+,AQo+,99+. KK plays pretty well against that. On the other hand, if the original raiser is a tightish player, my overcalling range could be as tight as AA/KK only, and even KK would make me stop to think.

splashpot 12-15-2005 04:20 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
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I'd say the raiser's range really depends on AAAMAN's profile so far. Against a super-LAG, my reraising range could be as loose as AJs+,AQo+,99+. KK plays pretty well against that. On the other hand, if the original raiser is a tightish player, my overcalling range could be as tight as AA/KK only, and even KK would make me stop to think.

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Wow, that is one huge range. You really think he'd reraise with 99 or AJs? I wouldn't even open raise those hands at this level.

adanthar 12-15-2005 04:23 AM

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 
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It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

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I'm bored tonight and pissed off due to my own mental lapse so I'm gonna flame somebody and it may as well be you (sorry):

No, it can't be QQ. What good player does this near minimum pot odds reraise crap with QQ? Give me a break.

It miiiiight be AK (I've seen it played this way as sort of a semibluff) or little to nothing if he decided he wanted 85 chips. (I'm not saying there's a good chance of that, I'm saying it's theoretically possible.) But it's not QQ unless he misclicked.

I'm probably not folding this, BTW.

edit: 99? 99??? Come ON, he's number 4 on the leaderboard and you think he makes an 85 chip bet 200 with 99?

bones 12-15-2005 04:27 AM

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Stupid converter...

#Game No : 3203757646
***** Hand History for Game 3203757646 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18292789 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 01:55:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 67469 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AAAMAN1 ( $1035 )
Seat 2: BettaFold110 ( $2005 )
Seat 3: QuasiFiction ( $725 )
Seat 5: Scuba_Chuck ( $800 )
Seat 6: underpar24 ( $865 )
Seat 7: Deevilicious ( $425 )
Seat 8: LuckyAustin4 ( $835 )
Seat 9: CartmansMom ( $385 )
Seat 10: jsa714 ( $925 )
Trny:18292789 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Kc Kd ]
AAAMAN1 raises [85].
BettaFold110 folds.
QuasiFiction raises [200].
Scuba_Chuck .....

Just in case any of you don't know, QuasiFiction is #4 on the leaderboard, and he plays the $33s (I'm guessing a ton).

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Quasi is definitely one of the better players in the 33s. I'd put his range here at AA-mayyyyyybeQQ, sometimes AK, although I'd have to look through my db to see how he's played AK in the past. I'm never folding KK on lvl 2 of an 800 chip game, so I don't think it really matters.


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